Tea Parties...........WDYT??

[Cid]

Soxfan22,

I too have watched your posts....I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Nice try at baiting me....

Have you noticed that Fox has even given up on any appearance of fair and balanced. I guess they couldn't find any liberals flimsier than Alan Colmes. So now we get to listen to Hannity go on for an hour and he sounds just like.....you!

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[Cid]

With all due respect Cid, you are not in the middle, no one from VT. is in the middle.

So you listen to Hannity, good for you. I learned a lot of thing by osmosis in my day.

For a look into the future, check out Senator Dodd of CT. popularity rating. There are 2 Republicans ahead of him in the polls for his 2010 reelection bid. Obama is trying to get as much as he can now because he has a limited amount of time before the Congress changes and his majority is weakened. If things do not start to improve in 6-9 months, things will surely not go well for the Dems in 2010. The tea parties were just an expression of concern for Obama’s spread the wealth taxation policy which will not lead to anything productive, except a larger government which in turn has always, in the past, lead to massive waste of taxpayer money through regulation, and extreme government bureaucracy.

When you start a statement with something as idiotic as "no one from VT. is in the middle", it's difficult to take anything you say after that seriously. Oh wait, I forgot, Bill O'reilly says we're all pedophile loving, homosexual freaks who would have the audacity to want to impeach a war monger like Bush and a crook like Cheney. In fact if you don't lean as far as you possibly can to the left in Vermont, you can be imprisoned or deported. The reality is that we are left on social issues and conservative on financial things. Our Governor is a Republican!

Say SJ, you're in NJ. Your family must be in "sanitation". Yeah, that's it...sanitation. Sorry, I had to throw an absurd generalization in for effect. Also you should try actually listening rather than learning through osmosis. Your comprehension scores might improve.

As for Hannity, if you read my post you'd realize I'm not a big Hannity fan. He is more entertaining than Olberman on MSNBC but they both lean too far each way for me.

I do agree that the Dems will have a tough time in the mid-term elections. If they happen to magically make some movement on the economic front then it will be tougher for the Republicans. When the Dems touted so much pie-in-the-sky during the election, it was easy to see it would come back to haunt them. I agree the Dems will probably lose some seats.

See, we can agree on some things!

[Schnell]

There's plenty of blame to go around, and as long as both parties put smearing the other one ahead of fixing the problems, things aren't likely to get better any time soon.

Thats pretty much what yesterday was all about. Bought and paid for by the republicans

Just as George Soros funded every left-wing anti-war "protest" over the last decade. What's your point?

I would ask - What is your proof that these things were funded by Repubs? I was involved in the CT version, and I know that the funding here was all private, and the organizer (who have no professional involvement in politics) secured all of the necessary permits, etc by themselves.

The left just can't handle the fact that there are actually people who think their policies will ruin this country - if left unchecked.

My point is that it seems the rep. party insists on smearing any other party that does not follow their belief/views. It seems thats what these tea parties are all about. These are supposed to be "American"....maybe in the definition of freedom of speech, but thats about as far as it goes.

Lets face it, each party whines and protests. I just don't like the tea party/American facade that these events came across as. And I have voted for each party in the past. I am by no means a rep or dem. I vote for the candidate or sometimes against one. So lets not start another worthless arguement that just aggravates 90% of the members on this forum (myself included).

Thanks, I'm out.

[loria]

ok-this thread has officially jumped the shark......or something.

[soxfan22]

ok-this thread has officially jumped the shark......or something.

And we had been doing so well! Goin' along to get along!!!

As for Cid's comments about Bush/warmonger...

1. What is your definition of "warmonger"?

2. Was Truman a "warmonger" when he dropped the bombs? Was FDR a warmonger? Nixon? LBJ? Bush 41? Clinton when he was "policing the world"? How about Grant? Lincoln? Or, is Bush the only "warmonger" because he waged a war that you did not agree with?

And I agree with SJ. There are very few, if any, centrists in the state of VT.

Oh, and as for your having a Repub governor? That means nothing. CA has one too, but their state has been run by a lefty state legislation for years, which has all but run them into the ground. Michigan? Lefty's. Louisiana? Run by lefty's for 60 years. Was annually the most corrupt state in the union until Bobby Jindal has cleaned it up the last few years. But hey - you still have the Dem mayor there who promises to keep NO a "chocolate city".

Massachusetts - there is a reason we in this part of the world refer to it as "Taxachusetts". Run by lefty's...And that's ironic, because Massachusetts is the birthplace of one of the great colonial conservative thinkers, John Adams. Ah well, who needs roots?

[soxfan22]

Last point Cid - you took offense to SJ's "generalization" re VT.

Do you have a similar issue with the broad, sweeping generalizations put forth about "right wing extremists" in the Homeland Security report? There were absolutely no facts cited within that report - only Internet chatter about mortgages, the banking crisis, and the economy. Oh, and the thought that veterans returning from war could be "recruited" by us "right wing extremists".

This administration is an absolute joke. I thought job 1 was getting Bin Laden? It appears Job 1 is marginalizing your critics - right out of the Rules for Radicals Handbook!

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[djmom]

Soxfan-

I do have a question-During the past election cycle were you in a volunteer role for any of the candidates or for the Republican party? Meaning logging hours as a volunteer. And if so, what did you do?

I am just curious-

[soxfan22]

dj - No, I was not politically involved. Other than being quite vocal through Facebook, and of course, here. I come from a family full of liberals (aunts, uncles, and cousins)...There are only about four conservatives in a very large family, counting both sides. So, the Internet tends to be a release for me. Although, and not to be a jerk here, I do get asked quite often by like minded conservatives (mostly college and work friends) whom I keep up with on Facebook why I don't become more involved - there are many more frustrated people out there than the media likes to acknowledge. They call us the "Silent Majority" for a reason. Silent no more, however.

I am thinking about volunteering for a gentleman named Rob Simmons. Rob is a conservative Republican who I believe will beat Chris Dodd here in CT. NJ made reference to that race earlier. Speaking of crooks, there is no more authentic crook in politics today than Mr. Dodd. I believe the residents of CT, right or left, have had enough of this guy.

Rob Simmons was my congressman here is SE CT until he was beaten by Democrat Joe Courtney a few years ago. Courtney voted for the stimulus, although did not vote in favor of TARP. The ONLY reason he was elected was because of the goundswell of anger towards anybody with an (R) next to their name, and Simmons was just that. The people in this part of the state quickly forgot that it was Simmons who was instrumental in saving the Groton Sub Base during the last round of base closings. That would've devistated the economy in the short term - and probably the long term as well. Groton was on the list, and Simmons successfully lobbied to have it removed in favor of keeping it open.

What has Courtney done? Well, he has brought home millions of dollars of Stimulus money, of which 100% will go right into the pockets of the labor unions. Private contractors/homebuilders will not see a dime. But the unions will stay in business. Thanks Joe.

[djmom]

Sox,
I am a conservative as I have said before. I just think if you really want change, your energy would be put to much better use using it in a constructive way instead of antagonizing people who are clearly on the other side and who are NOT going to change their mind.

And if they are open to change their mind or even listen, they are not likely to listen to your confrontational style.

Believe me, I feel many of the same things, but you don't win people over by attacking them. Especially after WE LOST.

WE LOST. YOU didn't get involved at a grass roots level. You were out there whining and complaining WAY in time to get involved. I saw your posts.

I am not trying to be mean, just "keeping it real".

I didn't get involved in the campaigns because I volunteer over well 40 hours a week already in other things. BUT I generally keep my mouth shut. When I do open it, I try to win people over, not insult them.

I know you are in pharmaceutical sales, right? Can you imagine going in to your doctors and telling them they were idiots for not prescribing your drugs? You would not last long. Maybe you could pull it off for a while, but doctors would not be picking up the phone and calling your house when they had an urgent question about your drug.

I used to be a rep. For 13 years. And they called me at home. Because although we didn't always agree, I treated them with the respect they deserved. I really made a concerted effort to talk about what was good about my product, not what was bad about the competition.

If conservatives would treat our opposition with respect (as humans, as people who do CARE about America-even if we think they are wrong) we will do much better and maybe people would listen to us. Because I do think we have a good story to tell.

[soxfan22]

Thanks for the feedback, dj. Not sure I ever called anybody who didn't agree with me an "idiot".

Not in Pharma sales - I'm in Biotech where I deal mostly with Medicare Part B. My position is more account management and consultative than say, being a sample dropper. And no, I do not talk politics with my customers, unless they of course are CLEARLY on the conservative side of things. As for my success - I'm planning a fall trip for my family (I have 2 children so I guess that is why I am only a "whiner"), paid for from winnings I have received after winning Pres Club for 2008. Things are fine, thanks.

And I make no apologies for the fact that I think liberal policies will be implemented to the detriment of our country. As for speaking kindly about those policies - that is the reason John McCain lost the election. As conservatives, we often try to be nice to everyone...Appeal to everyone. And in the end, that appeals to noone.

I have principles that are non-negotiable. Just as others here do.

[cypressgirl]

Boy, I sure hope the BB forum gathering doesn't turn into a Beach Brawl. I don't think politics and booze is a good combo.

I thought the tea party idea was a good way for all Americans to express their distaste for this aweful debt both sides of the Beltway has caused. I didn't mean for it to become another political thread with one side against the other.

I don't know what it's going to take for everyone to get on the same page. Maybe that's not possible. Each state has it's own culture. I know Texas is not like New York and never will be, so attitudes and beliefs will always be different. I sure don't have an answer, but I would bet there aren't a hand full of people on both sides, running this country, that aren't corrupt in some way or beholding to some special interest.

[djmom]

Hey, guess what, I wasn't a sample dropper either.

And went on a few of those trips myself.

I never said you talk politics with your customers. What I said was, to persuade a customer, you can't treat them like dirt.

Likewise, we can't expect for people to listen to us or understand our position if we are acting like a jerk.

If you are here just to "vent", you are causing more harm than good because you make conservatives look bad.

Guess what. We are in the minority. And we are not going to get back in power by acting like A-holes.

You can be nice=civil without giving up principals.

[toes in the sand]

Tea parties, WDYT..........
I think it is a good thing whenever people take the time, the energy and the privelege to peacefully let their elected officials know what they think about the job they are doing.

If we don't tell them what we think, they will never know. Washington is a world away from the fly-over country that I live in.