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To SJfromNJ
To SJfromNJ
Do not PM me again
I have no problem posting part of your PM........
"In case you did not get the memo, Bush bashing is uncool."
Yes I got the memo - I guess you did not !!!!
We are all entitled to post our thoughts and on that thread I only posted his new approval rate of 13% as reported this morning - Bush bashing - I don't think so
Pia
I have no problem posting part of your PM........
"In case you did not get the memo, Bush bashing is uncool."
Yes I got the memo - I guess you did not !!!!
We are all entitled to post our thoughts and on that thread I only posted his new approval rate of 13% as reported this morning - Bush bashing - I don't think so
Pia
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Does that include Soxfan ?Pia wrote:[
We are all entitled to post our thoughts
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Pete (Mr. Marcia)
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I believe it was apropos to my response to Soxfan in which I raised the issue of the decline in Bush's approval ratings over the years.SJfromNJ wrote:I just wanted to know the source of your information. I know it is wrong. Maybe you will tell us where you got your information. You certainly can voice your opinion in any way you see fit. Tell me, what was the purpose of your post about the 13% approval rating?
Wisconsin, smell the dairy air
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Pete (Mr. Marcia)
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Gosh, I have no clue. The lowest approval rating that I recall seeing was somewhere in the mid-twenties. I also seem to recall reading that whatever the number was, it was one of the lowest, if not the lowest, in history.SJfromNJ wrote:Pete, do you think the 13% approval rating figure is accurate?
Regardless, go back and read the thread so that you can take my comments in context.
Wisconsin, smell the dairy air
From gallup.com.
PRINCETON, NJ -- A new USA Today/Gallup poll, conducted Jan. 9-11, finds 34% of Americans approving of the overall job George W. Bush is doing as president and 61% disapproving. Those ratings are a shade better than what Bush has received for most of the past year, and may represent the kind of lame-duck approval bounce Gallup has seen for other presidents.
Now...if you search other sites, I saw 22%.
I really hate the politic slingy that's recently going on on this off topic forum. I know you can talk about it, but I don't think it's a good idea.
Let's talk about religion or something
PRINCETON, NJ -- A new USA Today/Gallup poll, conducted Jan. 9-11, finds 34% of Americans approving of the overall job George W. Bush is doing as president and 61% disapproving. Those ratings are a shade better than what Bush has received for most of the past year, and may represent the kind of lame-duck approval bounce Gallup has seen for other presidents.
Now...if you search other sites, I saw 22%.
I really hate the politic slingy that's recently going on on this off topic forum. I know you can talk about it, but I don't think it's a good idea.
Let's talk about religion or something
"Paradise...it's a state of mine"
OH, I swore that i would not get drawn back in. i really did....but i am sort of like a mosquito and a bug light--i will probably get zapped....
Bush deserves a critical look --they all do--
if you think that the bush presidency has been a success then you are most decidedly in the minority--this is not BUsh bashing, it is taking into account the failed and flawed policies of the Bush government--these flawed policies are evident in almost every realm.--environment, health, human rights and the rights of prisoners (or combatants) the questionable legality of the war, etc, etc. YES, these things NEED to be considered--
We have a RIGHT and a DUTY to question those in positions of power. That is probably one of the leading things that makes this country great. If you DO NOT use a critical eye and question those in power when you think they have made mistakes then you have failed your duty as a citizen.
here is just a random walk thru some flawed Government
(this is from the daily beast)
The Environmental President
1. The Bush EPA decided in 2002 that carbon emissions are not pollution, buying into the car lobby's perverse argument that curbing CO2 is anti-tree and anti-human. "Why would you regulate a pollutant that is an inert gas that is vital to plant photosynthesis and that people exhale when they breathe?" a spokesman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers said at the time.
2. In 2007, the Bush team successfully demanded that the EPA weaken air quality standards to allow more smog in wildlife, farmlands, and parks.
3. In 2001, the EPA attempted to loosen restrictions on arsenic levels in drinking water. “I think we could have handled the environmental issue a little better,” Bush conceded later that year.
4. The White House may have hit its lowest point when it pressured the EPA into encouraging New Yorkers to return to their homes, jobs, and schools despite tests showing that the air in Lower Manhattan contained dangerous levels of asbestos, lead, and other toxins. Thousands became sick and EPA head Christine Todd Whitman only narrowly dodged a lawsuit on appeal after a lower court ruled the cover-up “shocked the conscience.”
Consumer Regulations Are for Losers
5. The Consumer Product Safety Commission, which manages product recalls, became so underfunded that its employees began to quit in droves. According to its commissioner, “they have no confidence the agency will continue to exist—or will exist in any meaningful form."
6. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration issued 86 percent fewer rules or regulations than under President Clinton and put a director in charge who was literally asleep at his desk.
7. FCC head Michael Powell weakened media ownership laws to allow large conglomerates to greatly expand their reach, drawing the ire of media critics like Obama adviser Lawrence Lessig, who called for the FCC to be eliminated entirely.
He Doesn't Believe in Polls
8. Even the US census was neglected under Bush. "The incompetence and lack of frugality is astounding to me," Republican Sen. Tom Coburn said of the Census Bureau's 2010 preparations.
Keep Your Friends Close—and Your Enemies Locked Outside
9. During a tour promoting Bush's plan to privatize Social Security in 2005, three attendees were turned away at the door by a volunteer dressed as a secret service agent after he spotted a “No More Blood For Oil” bumper sticker on their vehicle. The group quickly became known as the “Denver Three” and a symbol the notorious stage management of Bush rallies.
10. In order to get tickets to a 2004 election rally with Vice President Dick Cheney, attendees had to a sign a “loyalty oath” affirming that they would endorse Bush's re-election.
All-Star Appointees
11. Dr. James Holsinger Jr. nomination as surgeon general was scuttled in 2007 after it became known that he had written a paper bashing gay sex as unnatural and dangerous and presented it to the United Methodist Church as part of an effort to keep its religious restrictions on homosexuality intact.
12. The voting rights chief for the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, John Tanner, argued that voter ID laws wouldn't disenfranchise elderly minority voters because “minorities don't become elderly the way white people do: They die first." He added that blacks would likely have an ID anyway because "when someone goes to a check cashing business, God help them if they don't have a photo ID."
More Iraq Scandals!
13. Bush and Cheney have been telling interviewers that they were disappointed with how slowly Iraqi society rebuilt itself, but their own rebuilding efforts weren't so hot, either. A 2007 federal oversight agency's report found seven out of eight sample projects “no longer operating as designed because of plumbing and electrical failures, lack of proper maintenance, apparent looting, and expensive equipment that lay idle.”
14. In 2004, the White House was forced to admit that some 380 tons of explosives had disappeared from an Iraqi facility the army had failed to guard properly.
Homeland Insecurity
15. When a private intelligence company located a new Bin Laden video through an online source, they turned it over to senior Bush officials on the condition they not reveal the tape so as not to tip off Al Qaeda that its communications were compromised. By the same afternoon, the administration had already leaked it to cable news, immediately ending the company's years-long surveillance operation.
16. The Bush administration caused a bipartisan feeding frenzy in 2006 when it approved a state-owned company in Dubai to take over management at ports in major American cities like New York, Baltimore, and Miami. Critics warned that terrorists could exploit the Dubai connection to carry out operations.
Yeah, this is just a few things--and maybe others think that some of this stuff isn't so bad (and this isn't the WORST of the Bush doctrine--this is really pretty lightweight stuff mostly). I wholly respect the office of the president, but if I think my president is screwing up I am going to say something. And i will continue to do so.
Bush deserves a critical look --they all do--
if you think that the bush presidency has been a success then you are most decidedly in the minority--this is not BUsh bashing, it is taking into account the failed and flawed policies of the Bush government--these flawed policies are evident in almost every realm.--environment, health, human rights and the rights of prisoners (or combatants) the questionable legality of the war, etc, etc. YES, these things NEED to be considered--
We have a RIGHT and a DUTY to question those in positions of power. That is probably one of the leading things that makes this country great. If you DO NOT use a critical eye and question those in power when you think they have made mistakes then you have failed your duty as a citizen.
here is just a random walk thru some flawed Government
(this is from the daily beast)
The Environmental President
1. The Bush EPA decided in 2002 that carbon emissions are not pollution, buying into the car lobby's perverse argument that curbing CO2 is anti-tree and anti-human. "Why would you regulate a pollutant that is an inert gas that is vital to plant photosynthesis and that people exhale when they breathe?" a spokesman for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers said at the time.
2. In 2007, the Bush team successfully demanded that the EPA weaken air quality standards to allow more smog in wildlife, farmlands, and parks.
3. In 2001, the EPA attempted to loosen restrictions on arsenic levels in drinking water. “I think we could have handled the environmental issue a little better,” Bush conceded later that year.
4. The White House may have hit its lowest point when it pressured the EPA into encouraging New Yorkers to return to their homes, jobs, and schools despite tests showing that the air in Lower Manhattan contained dangerous levels of asbestos, lead, and other toxins. Thousands became sick and EPA head Christine Todd Whitman only narrowly dodged a lawsuit on appeal after a lower court ruled the cover-up “shocked the conscience.”
Consumer Regulations Are for Losers
5. The Consumer Product Safety Commission, which manages product recalls, became so underfunded that its employees began to quit in droves. According to its commissioner, “they have no confidence the agency will continue to exist—or will exist in any meaningful form."
6. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration issued 86 percent fewer rules or regulations than under President Clinton and put a director in charge who was literally asleep at his desk.
7. FCC head Michael Powell weakened media ownership laws to allow large conglomerates to greatly expand their reach, drawing the ire of media critics like Obama adviser Lawrence Lessig, who called for the FCC to be eliminated entirely.
He Doesn't Believe in Polls
8. Even the US census was neglected under Bush. "The incompetence and lack of frugality is astounding to me," Republican Sen. Tom Coburn said of the Census Bureau's 2010 preparations.
Keep Your Friends Close—and Your Enemies Locked Outside
9. During a tour promoting Bush's plan to privatize Social Security in 2005, three attendees were turned away at the door by a volunteer dressed as a secret service agent after he spotted a “No More Blood For Oil” bumper sticker on their vehicle. The group quickly became known as the “Denver Three” and a symbol the notorious stage management of Bush rallies.
10. In order to get tickets to a 2004 election rally with Vice President Dick Cheney, attendees had to a sign a “loyalty oath” affirming that they would endorse Bush's re-election.
All-Star Appointees
11. Dr. James Holsinger Jr. nomination as surgeon general was scuttled in 2007 after it became known that he had written a paper bashing gay sex as unnatural and dangerous and presented it to the United Methodist Church as part of an effort to keep its religious restrictions on homosexuality intact.
12. The voting rights chief for the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, John Tanner, argued that voter ID laws wouldn't disenfranchise elderly minority voters because “minorities don't become elderly the way white people do: They die first." He added that blacks would likely have an ID anyway because "when someone goes to a check cashing business, God help them if they don't have a photo ID."
More Iraq Scandals!
13. Bush and Cheney have been telling interviewers that they were disappointed with how slowly Iraqi society rebuilt itself, but their own rebuilding efforts weren't so hot, either. A 2007 federal oversight agency's report found seven out of eight sample projects “no longer operating as designed because of plumbing and electrical failures, lack of proper maintenance, apparent looting, and expensive equipment that lay idle.”
14. In 2004, the White House was forced to admit that some 380 tons of explosives had disappeared from an Iraqi facility the army had failed to guard properly.
Homeland Insecurity
15. When a private intelligence company located a new Bin Laden video through an online source, they turned it over to senior Bush officials on the condition they not reveal the tape so as not to tip off Al Qaeda that its communications were compromised. By the same afternoon, the administration had already leaked it to cable news, immediately ending the company's years-long surveillance operation.
16. The Bush administration caused a bipartisan feeding frenzy in 2006 when it approved a state-owned company in Dubai to take over management at ports in major American cities like New York, Baltimore, and Miami. Critics warned that terrorists could exploit the Dubai connection to carry out operations.
Yeah, this is just a few things--and maybe others think that some of this stuff isn't so bad (and this isn't the WORST of the Bush doctrine--this is really pretty lightweight stuff mostly). I wholly respect the office of the president, but if I think my president is screwing up I am going to say something. And i will continue to do so.
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< leaving on the 22nd of march...but too lame to figure out the ticker thing again!>
Be careful though...some have a tendency to attribute the comments of one poster to another poster - and then call the other poster racist.Pia wrote:Yes - we are all entitled - we do not have to agree and that's OK.
Pia
Oh, and not even have the integrity to offer up an apology.
As fot the festivities...Obama should go back to letting Axelrod write his speeches...this one was very underwhelming.
And I'm still trying to figure out what Rev. Joseph Lowery meant when he said "When white does what is right".
Lulu, you're a political scientist...Is that one in the playbook? And shouldn't someone have taken a look at the good Reverand's benediction prior to "The Moment" (as the news media is now calling it)?
And Pia, with all due respect, it does kind of seem like you pulled that stat from your posterior, to put it nicely.
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And quite honestly, I'm sick of this too. If you have something to add, please spare us the condescending, holier than thou preamble about how you "weren't going to get sucked in". Lets be adults, can we? And not just you Loria, this seems to be a popular tactic among some lefty's here.loria wrote:OH, I swore that i would not get drawn back in. i really did....but i am sort of like a mosquito and a bug light--i will probably get zapped....
July 2003 - Honeymoon at The Westin
July 2004 - Glenmar, Gifft Hill
July 2005 - Arco Iris, Fish Bay
December 2007 - Dreamcatcher, GCB
July 2008 - Ellison Villa, VGE
July 2004 - Glenmar, Gifft Hill
July 2005 - Arco Iris, Fish Bay
December 2007 - Dreamcatcher, GCB
July 2008 - Ellison Villa, VGE