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Pete, I actually think this has remained pretty civil. What's the problem...You are not forced to read it.Pete (Mr. Marcia) wrote:Linne,
Could you please PM Anthony and ask him to lock this thread? That seems to work and may be our only hope.
Godspeed, Linne. We're counting on you.
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Your employer called me and asked if I had any ideas how to get you back to working. This was all I could think of.soxfan22 wrote:Pete, I actually think this has remained pretty civil. What's the problem...You are not forced to read it.Pete (Mr. Marcia) wrote:Linne,
Could you please PM Anthony and ask him to lock this thread? That seems to work and may be our only hope.
Godspeed, Linne. We're counting on you.
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Sorry Sox, but my issue with Palin had little, if anything, to do with her anti-choice stance. You may think that is my core issue, but really it isn't. When that right is threatened, yes I will stand up and do any and everything in my power to protect it. But it is not my defining issue.
In my experience, republicans aren't in general expected to be very big supporters of a woman's right to choose. So just about anyone he picked would have not been in agreement with me. I was actually quite pleased that McCain picked her. It put the nails in the metaphorical coffin. Had he picked Colin Powell I don't think we would be having this discussion about our new president because I don't think he would have won the election.
Further, feminism isn't about blindly following any woman who happens to be on the ticket. Wouldn't that be the very thing that so offended you about all of us Obama-ites? Our penchant for just being uninformed lambs who just thought he looked nice and gave a good speech.
Even Mccain gets this saying in an interview pre-election, "As a cold political calculation, I could not be more pleased. She has excited and energized our base. She is a direct counterpoint to the liberal feminist agenda for America."
All things equal, yes, I would (as a woman) love to see more women in positions of influence and power but to say that my lack of support for Palin makes me a non-feminist is just silly. First and foremost the political figure you choose to vote for should line up with your principles. Palin doesn't square with any of mine, uterus or not. NEWSFLASH: Men can be feminists too.
In my experience, republicans aren't in general expected to be very big supporters of a woman's right to choose. So just about anyone he picked would have not been in agreement with me. I was actually quite pleased that McCain picked her. It put the nails in the metaphorical coffin. Had he picked Colin Powell I don't think we would be having this discussion about our new president because I don't think he would have won the election.
Further, feminism isn't about blindly following any woman who happens to be on the ticket. Wouldn't that be the very thing that so offended you about all of us Obama-ites? Our penchant for just being uninformed lambs who just thought he looked nice and gave a good speech.
Even Mccain gets this saying in an interview pre-election, "As a cold political calculation, I could not be more pleased. She has excited and energized our base. She is a direct counterpoint to the liberal feminist agenda for America."
All things equal, yes, I would (as a woman) love to see more women in positions of influence and power but to say that my lack of support for Palin makes me a non-feminist is just silly. First and foremost the political figure you choose to vote for should line up with your principles. Palin doesn't square with any of mine, uterus or not. NEWSFLASH: Men can be feminists too.
Similar to Bush's stance on Embryonic Stem Cell Research. The media had a blast painting Bush as some insensitive dolt who had no interest in anything 'scientific'.SJfromNJ wrote: As far as abortion is concerned, I am morally against it. Roe vs. Wade legalizes abortion. All I'm saying is do not use my tax money to fund this procedure domestically or overseas. Pay for it yourself if you got to go that route. Hey, I'm going bald but I'm not asking for your tax money for plugs.
Now I hear almost everyday people tell me Bush "didn't allow stem cell research".
No true at all. He didn't allow federal funding for Embryonic research. There is nothing illegal about it, if your lab has the money to fund it.
A big reason for his decision that gets lost in the weeds is the fact that there have not been any advancements in disease management as a result of the Embryonic variety. All advances have come from Adult Stem Cell Research.
To SJ's point about abortion...It's legal. Fine. Don't use my money to fund it please.
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Obama picks a fight with Rush? Then tells Republicans...too bad, "I won".
NY Post http://www.nypost.com/seven/01232009/ne ... 151572.htm
NY Post http://www.nypost.com/seven/01232009/ne ... 151572.htm
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And I (shockingly I know) would have to disagree with that assessment. She was plucked out of near obscurity and no one knew anything about her until she was put on the national stage. I listened to her speech and immediately was turned off, but I know the buzz words to listen for. My own mother, almost as liberal as me and who supported Obama back when I was all about Hillary, called me to tell me how well spoken she thought Palin seemed. No worries, I set her straight.SJfromNJ wrote:Once again Flip, I have to disagree. After the Republican convention, McCain/Palin had a nice lead in the polls. When the stock market tanked in mid-late Sept. Obama caught up. Palin came out swinging and bloodied Obama’s nose when she question Obama’s relationships with Ayers, Wright, ect. The Rep base was waiting for McCain to do this but he never did. She added to true conservative platform to the ticket and even today she polls high with Republicans. She is no doubt a force to be dealt with. They will polish her up a bit and probably give her more visibility as 2012 gets closer.
She had a very brief honeymoon, the media dug in to her and people started questioning her on her experience and her record. And, remember, it wasn't just us liberals. Moderate and not so moderate republicans were jumping ship on her so fast I almost got whiplash. The media did paint a very unflattering and she ended the campaign as the most unpopular of the four by a long shot.
McCain wisely didn't dip into the cesspool of "guilt by association" and try to go after Obama on Ayers, etc. Plus, let's be honest I think there was a hope that the 527s to step up and swift boat him.
As a true patriot, I don't think if Mccain (war hero and prisoner of war and known maverick) would have held his tongue if he in any way believed that President Obama had any ties, sympathy, or tolerance of terrorists, domestic or otherwise.
Flip: I think McCain was too much of a gentleman. He didn't defend himself or require Obama defend his policy or connections. It was really frustrating to watch McCain, is a hero. and who has served his country get so much disrespect from the media and the left.
Palin was completely smeared. She is intelligent and has the courage to make difficult and unpopular decisions. I really believe McCain and Palin would have been reformers and I also believe they didn't get the chance because of biased media coverage.
I agree that Palin ignited the republican party. I think the gotcha interviews, media, and the left attacked her in a way that has never been seen before. I believe she will make a comeback and I am looking forward to it.
I also believe that the economy put the nail in the coffin for McCain and Palin. Before that they had a chance. And, really, considering the dismal economy and the extremely biased media I think there is proof that McCain/Palin weren't as unpopular and people want us to believe. Our President had a very low approval rating . . . all of that was against the republicans yet it wasn't a landslide.
Another sign that Palin had support is the crowds she could draw--even when the media was doing their best to make her look stupid.
Palin was completely smeared. She is intelligent and has the courage to make difficult and unpopular decisions. I really believe McCain and Palin would have been reformers and I also believe they didn't get the chance because of biased media coverage.
I agree that Palin ignited the republican party. I think the gotcha interviews, media, and the left attacked her in a way that has never been seen before. I believe she will make a comeback and I am looking forward to it.
I also believe that the economy put the nail in the coffin for McCain and Palin. Before that they had a chance. And, really, considering the dismal economy and the extremely biased media I think there is proof that McCain/Palin weren't as unpopular and people want us to believe. Our President had a very low approval rating . . . all of that was against the republicans yet it wasn't a landslide.
Another sign that Palin had support is the crowds she could draw--even when the media was doing their best to make her look stupid.
flip-flop wrote: She was plucked out of near obscurity and no one knew anything about her until she was put on the national stage..
Boy, this sounds familiar. Replace "she" with "he".
Flip, I'm just a simple conservative rube...Please tell me, what are these "buzzwords" that YOU know?I listened to her speech and immediately was turned off, but I know the buzz words to listen for.
And John McCain, while a true American hero, is about as wishy-washy politically as they come. He is NOT a conservative, and quite honestly came off as pretty cranky during the campaign.
The Republican Party will not make that mistake again, I don't believe. Next time around, there will be a true conservative at the top of the ticket...My hope at this point (things change) is that it is Bobby Jindal.
Obama vs. Jindal. Now, we have something. Now, we have some clear distinctions to be drawn.
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Sox said: "To SJ's point about abortion...It's legal. Fine. Don't use my money to fund it please."
I'm going to dig in my heels on this issue.
If it's legal, which it is, your tax dollars will fund it, just like all the other programs with which you disagree. Sorry, you don't get to line-item veto where your tax dollars get spent.
Back in the day, many men opposed the very idea of the birth control pill. You may have read about the debate in books, but I don't think you are old enough to actually have lived through it.
I truly believe that the concept of the pill was threatening to a lot of men. Think of it, before the pill...women had been kept down because they bore the fruits of our actions. They got pregnant, not us. They gave up their schooling, careers, etc.
The debate over the pill, then, is not much different than the debate over abortion now, in my opinion. In my opinion, it's all about giving women the right to live as a man would. A woman should have the right to decide what she wants out of her life, despite the fact that she has the ability to carry a fetus.
I have three daughters. They should have the same rights as men.
I'll come clean. I'm a single issue voter. I never will vote for a candidate who is not pro-choice.
Do not even bother to bash, as I will not respond.
Edited...I will respond with vitriol.
I'm going to dig in my heels on this issue.
If it's legal, which it is, your tax dollars will fund it, just like all the other programs with which you disagree. Sorry, you don't get to line-item veto where your tax dollars get spent.
Back in the day, many men opposed the very idea of the birth control pill. You may have read about the debate in books, but I don't think you are old enough to actually have lived through it.
I truly believe that the concept of the pill was threatening to a lot of men. Think of it, before the pill...women had been kept down because they bore the fruits of our actions. They got pregnant, not us. They gave up their schooling, careers, etc.
The debate over the pill, then, is not much different than the debate over abortion now, in my opinion. In my opinion, it's all about giving women the right to live as a man would. A woman should have the right to decide what she wants out of her life, despite the fact that she has the ability to carry a fetus.
I have three daughters. They should have the same rights as men.
I'll come clean. I'm a single issue voter. I never will vote for a candidate who is not pro-choice.
Do not even bother to bash, as I will not respond.
Edited...I will respond with vitriol.
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Yes, I agree, the demographics of the U.S. are changing........hand outs won over personal responsibility. I'm not tone deaf, I hear it loud and clear.Joshie wrote:"They" are the tone deaf members of the Republican Party, who, despite every indication to the contrary, believe the Party's best hope is to lurch further to the right.JT wrote:Ok, I've read all of this and stayed in the background, but now I'm getting paranoid. Who the hell are "they"?
The demographics of the US are changing. The Republicans ignore this at their peril. -j
Why the pictures of Oprah? That's what I don't get.
There is a difference between saying someone has little or no experience (Palin) and saying someone is tied to terrorists.
Wow, it seems we have come back to the Abortion Sox and SJ. And here I thought that was MY ISSUE (and Pete's too).
I am surprised you went the "my tax dollars" route since that argument is so full of problems.
So, hypothetically speaking say I, on moral grounds, oppose the war in Iraq. How do I go about getting a moratorium on the spending of my tax dollars? 100000s of innocents have died there.
Again, can someone please tell me what is it that makes those lives not worth fighting or protesting over. Is it that they are not US citizens or that they are not still in the uterus?
And Sox, I almost forgot to address your "it was just a metaphor" cover. There are many appropriate metaphors you could have used to express your point - sheep, lemmings, etc. Nope you took it to the JEWS on the train. Say what you want but that does nothing but evoke if you vote for him we're all gonna DIE. It stokes hate in some and makes others just think you are insane. I would like one person Gina, SJ, Dave007, anyone to publicly get on board that hate train with you. I really don't think its my lack of understanding of metaphor that is the problem.
Its funny that you think I am too sensitive or PC. If you knew me you'd know that I am neither by a long long shot. I just happen to a strong distaste for bullies and people who hide behind fairly anonymous screennames (remember you don't post your picture in case you run into anyone at the beach bar) and spew hate that they would NEVER EVER IN public have the guts (I really want to use another word here) to share.
I believe what I believe, and there is nothing I have said here in relation to Palin, McCain, Obama, Abortion, and Iraq, that I would not say to my mother, my boss, or to my conversative friends. Can you say the same?
Wow, it seems we have come back to the Abortion Sox and SJ. And here I thought that was MY ISSUE (and Pete's too).
I am surprised you went the "my tax dollars" route since that argument is so full of problems.
So, hypothetically speaking say I, on moral grounds, oppose the war in Iraq. How do I go about getting a moratorium on the spending of my tax dollars? 100000s of innocents have died there.
Again, can someone please tell me what is it that makes those lives not worth fighting or protesting over. Is it that they are not US citizens or that they are not still in the uterus?
And Sox, I almost forgot to address your "it was just a metaphor" cover. There are many appropriate metaphors you could have used to express your point - sheep, lemmings, etc. Nope you took it to the JEWS on the train. Say what you want but that does nothing but evoke if you vote for him we're all gonna DIE. It stokes hate in some and makes others just think you are insane. I would like one person Gina, SJ, Dave007, anyone to publicly get on board that hate train with you. I really don't think its my lack of understanding of metaphor that is the problem.
Its funny that you think I am too sensitive or PC. If you knew me you'd know that I am neither by a long long shot. I just happen to a strong distaste for bullies and people who hide behind fairly anonymous screennames (remember you don't post your picture in case you run into anyone at the beach bar) and spew hate that they would NEVER EVER IN public have the guts (I really want to use another word here) to share.
I believe what I believe, and there is nothing I have said here in relation to Palin, McCain, Obama, Abortion, and Iraq, that I would not say to my mother, my boss, or to my conversative friends. Can you say the same?