The other 800lb Gorilla in the campaign is SAD

soxfan22 · Post by **soxfan22** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 3:56 pm

jmq wrote: As for being hypocritical, not sure what you are referring to, but if its about the Palin/Obama experience thing, I only used the quotes from prominent conservatives that questioned her qualifications.

Obama went through the same questioning of qualifications thing from pundits and even fellow Democrats during the primaries and still does on a daily basis. I’m sure there are tons of quotes also from his own side out there about that.

Yes, like the ones from Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden maybe?

loria · Post by **loria** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:04 pm

toes in the sand wrote:I have lurked in most of the political threads on the OT forum. I have lightly participated in some. I see much in the way of complaints about the way some thrust their points across the table. I see calls for civility and respect. But yet, I respectfully ask for a few simple qualifications of the democratic candidate and I get but a few weak responses. I am left to two conclusions.

1)No one here can list more than one bill authored by Mr. Obama.
2)No one really wishes to have a discussion on the subject.

Now since I see much in the way of disrespectful discussion elsewhere, I can only guess that no one really wants a respectful discussion of facts.

okay,

obama has authored, coauthored or cosponsored 579 bills since he has been in DC (some of these 579 are still pending)
outside of lugar
there is fiengold obama ethics reform act
coburn obama govt transparency act
obama mukowsk/allen mercury storage bill (which was recently signed by GWB)

i don;t think it is necessary to keep on typing in this vein--especially since you can very easily look this information up online.

CariBert · Post by **CariBert** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:11 pm

O.K. levity break. A bumper seen in Texas, deep in the heart of Bush country:

'I'll keep my freedom, my guns, and my money
you can keep THE CHANGE'.

Vote McCain / Palin

-Bert

soxfan22 · Post by **soxfan22** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:11 pm

Lulu - you and I have had some pretty heated discussions...I appreciate your honesty today in response to toes' question about the accomplishments of Obama.

My only point is about this statement:

It's also best to realize that none of these people will actually execute any of their campaign promises, anyhow.

As somebody with the background in politics that you have, you have to know that's not true - at least in the case of Obama. I f elected, he will have a Democratic House, Senate, and Executive Branch. Where will the checks and balances come from for Obama?

You said you admit that he is risky...Isn't it more unnerving that this risky candidate that even Tom Brokaw says he knows nothing about in terms of his world view, will have for all intents and purposes, carte blanche?

Lulu76 · Post by **Lulu76** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:34 pm

As I said in another thread at some point, even if Obama may personally have a "liberal" agenda that he would like to push, the majority of the House and Senate members are right down the middle, and ultimately they are responsible to their constituents. If he tries to push an agenda that is not favorable to their constituencies, they will not vote it through. Whoever the next president is will have to work toward bipartisanship and pass bills that appeal to the majority of Americans.

I'm very uncomfortable giving John McCain any more power than he has already had. And we won't even talk about my level of discomfort with Governor Palin. They do not align with my values, and I cannot in good conscience vote for them, whether or not it would create "checks and balances" in government.

And FYI, the Supreme Court, if they so choose, has the ability to overturn any law that the president makes if it is unconstitutional. No one could argue that the current court is anywhere near being liberal.

Pete (Mr. Marcia) · Post by **Pete (Mr. Marcia)** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:34 pm

Sweeeeet...unfettered power! We've got eight years to undo...let's get crackin!

soxfan22 · Post by **soxfan22** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:00 pm

Pete (Mr. Marcia) wrote:Sweeeeet...unfettered power! We've got eight years to undo...let's get crackin!

You've had control of both houses for two years - results are in:

9% approval rating, the lowest congressional rating in history.

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Pete (Mr. Marcia) · Post by **Pete (Mr. Marcia)** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:10 pm

That must be why the White House and even more congressional seats are going to go to the Dems tomorrow.

soxfan22 · Post by **soxfan22** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:11 pm

We'll see.

toes in the sand · Post by **toes in the sand** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:56 pm

loria

"obama has authored, coauthored or cosponsored 579 bills since he has been in DC (some of these 579 are still pending)
outside of lugar
there is fiengold obama ethics reform act
coburn obama govt transparency act
obama mukowsk/allen mercury storage bill (which was recently signed by GWB)

i don;t think it is necessary to keep on typing in this vein--especially since you can very easily look this information up online."

Yes it is easy to look this information up online. The library of congress (I assume this can be considered a responsible source) lists 152 bills and amendments that Mr. Obama has sponsored. 66 of these are senate bills the balance are amendments to existing legislation.

Some of the senate bills he has sponsered are recognition of the Chicago White Sox for winning the world series. Recognition of Rosa Parks and proposing a commemorative stamp in her honor. A resolution designating July 13, 2006, as "National Summer Learning Day". A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 950 Missouri Avenue in East St. Louis, Illinois, as the "Katherine Dunham Post Office Building".

152 is not 579. 66 sponsored bills is not even near 579. Please list your source. My source is the Library of Congress.

soxfan22 · Post by **soxfan22** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:15 pm

more importantly toes - how is your state gonna go tomorrow?

toes in the sand · Post by **toes in the sand** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:06 pm

Except for the cities of StL and KC, Missouri has always voted the issues. Despite the "bubba" image of rural Missouri, our voting citizens tend to cast their votes for the person, not the party. Since 1904 only one president has been elected without the state of Missouri. That president would be Dwight Eisenhower. Adalae Stevenson carried the state of Missouri in 1956. As for the two major cities, Barack Obama will win those areas. One thing that the anchors never realize when discussing MO on election night is that polls are meaningless in MO. Since I have reached voting age I have voted for each of the winning presidential candidates except one(meaning that I voted with the majority of my state for presidential elections). I will be voting for (R)McCain president, (R) Akin US rep(D) Nixon, governor, (D) Lt. Gov, (D) St Treas (R) AG, (R)Sec State, (D) Cty Cncl. While that does not answer the question about how MO will go tomorrow, perhaps it gives you some insight.

Pete (Mr. Marcia) · Post by **Pete (Mr. Marcia)** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:39 pm

SJfromNJ wrote:
Pete (Mr. Marcia) wrote:Sweeeeet...unfettered power! We've got eight years to undo...let's get crackin!
Teed that one up nice for Sox there Pete. He hit ot down the middle about 325 yards with a nice left to right fade!

Ya, I thought the "we'll see" response was a killer.

The bottom line is that the American people are poised to give your party the bums rush tomorrow.

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The other 800lb Gorilla in the campaign is SAD