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[California Girl]

I have just one issue with this statement. Babies in the womb just do not take up residency there they are the result of an action taken by the mother and the father.
Under Roe vs Wade, the mother becomes the dictator and can decide to end the life of an unborn child regardless of the fathers opinion,

That's a lofty perch to look down from. Many many times the "father" never intended to be a father and the "mother" never intended to be a mother. Many times they are just some teenagers or lazy adults who don't want to take the time to put on a condom or are too horny & drunk to care about it. He walks away, she's left to carry a baby to term. 50% her fault, 50% his fault.

Many times a girl or woman is raped... certainly no "choice" there when it comes to conceiving because this man and woman have a relationship and want to be parents...they don't and that was NEVER the intention. He runs away, and the woman has to carry this baby conceived in violence to term. 100% HIS fault. In a case like this, the mother is well within her rights to become a dictator. The dictator of her own health, mind and body.

[flip-flop]

I respect your right to believe that as well. However, the supreme court has found otherwise.

My government must respect my right as a woman to save my own life should it be necessary. Believe me when I say that my son was as wanted as any child on this earth. I took considerable risks to myself to give him a chance at survival. However, if it had come down to a choice between my life and his, I would have chosen my own without hesitation. Not only for myself but for my husband, for my other young child, and for my family. If that makes me selfish then so be it.

It would have been a heart breaking and tragic decision but not one I would have struggled with morally. I would have mourned him for the rest of my life, but I would not have felt guilt, only sorrow.

To argue that one is moral and another immoral because of a disagreement on this one issue does nothing to move us to the goal we all have - fewer abortions.

[soxfan22]

One being that you have the right to think and say whatever you want, but you do not have the right to legislate religious opinions.

This political discourse started with a discussion on abortion. I was tarred and feathered on that thread as well because I am someone who thinks abortion should be illegal, except in cases of incest and rape (and I waiver on that becasue it is still a living, breathing "thing" who had no control by which he/she was conceived). And, if there is a REAL risk of health to the mother. However, I also posted statistics showing that those instances account for only about 1% of all abortions. Those are crutches that pro-abortion people cling to, even though they account for a needle in the haytack of abortions in this country.

I also said that my opinion is not based on religion. I was mocked. Apparently, everyone who holds these beliefs has to be some "religious ideologue". My opinion is based on what my parents taught me about right and wrong. I agree with SJfrom NJ...That baby doesn't have any way to speak for itself.

The same people who are saving whales, turtles, polar bears, and the caribou in Alaska think it is acceptable to kill babies in the womb.

Flip - I think it was you who said you cannot stand hypocrisy? How do you square that?

[soxfan22]

However, if it had come down to a choice between my life and his, I would have chosen my own without hesitation. Not only for myself but for my husband, for my other young child, and for my family. If that makes me selfish then so be it.

wow.

[Pia]

And I for 1 agree 100% with Flip on her decision but am thankful it did not come to that.

Pia

[flip-flop]

The same people who are saving whales, turtles, polar bears, and the caribou in Alaska think it is acceptable to kill babies in the womb.

Flip - I think it was you who said you cannot stand hypocrisy? How do you square that?

I have never stated my personal position on saving whales, turtles and polar bears. That's a tough issue for me because there are people's livelihoods at stake and I think there has to be a balance between the preserving our natural resources and people's abililty to survive financially.

Do I think destroying natural habitats to put up condos is wrong - yes, I do. But I grew up in a very rural area. I went hunting as a kid. I know honest to goodness farmers and people who survive on the oyster and crab industry in my hometown. Don't try to make me out to be something I am not.

We fundamentally disagree on enough documented issues, you don't need to make up new ones.

[flip-flop]

However, if it had come down to a choice between my life and his, I would have chosen my own without hesitation. Not only for myself but for my husband, for my other young child, and for my family. If that makes me selfish then so be it.

wow.

You are the king of the soundbite. But even extracted just like that I stand behind it 100%.

When you, personally, are pregnant and have a 4 year old at home who is more excited than anything to have a new baby brother on the way and then you find out that the 2nd procedure you just had to save his life (by inserting a 8 inch needle through your skin, through your uterus and into your baby's chest cavity - with no anethesia by the way because you fear that the 2 days of vomiting from the first procedure's anthesia probably helped cause the fluid to come right back - to drain the fluid that is compressing his lungs making it impossible for his lungs to develop) just resulted in a life-threating uterine infection that will kill you within 48 hours if you do not terminate the pregnancy ... then we can talk about this. Until then, I am done.

I walked that mile. I am 100% comfortable that I would have made the best decision given the circumstances. You have no idea what I went through and you have no idea what 1000s of other women go through when they make these decisions.

[Lulu76]

I think until you are in that situation, you can't really say how you would react. That's why I firmly believe that medical decisions should be between the patient and his or her physician -- all medical decisions. It really bothers me that male politicians use abortion as a way to get votes, but not as much as it bothers me that there are people in this country who want to force people to have children while simultaneously reducing and/or eliminating the social programs who could help them.

[sailorgirl]

However, if it had come down to a choice between my life and his, I would have chosen my own without hesitation. Not only for myself but for my husband, for my other young child, and for my family. If that makes me selfish then so be it.

wow.

That might just be the singularly most insensitive comment I've ever seen.

[soxfan22]

I think until you are in that situation, you can't really say how you would react. That's why I firmly believe that medical decisions should be between the patient and his or her physician -- all medical decisions. It really bothers me that male politicians use abortion as a way to get votes, but not as much as it bothers me that there are people in this country who want to force people to have children while simultaneously reducing and/or eliminating the social programs who could help them.

No, I'm in full support of adoption services. There are millions who cannot reproduce, but would love to adopt a beautiful, healthy baby. Nope, instead of that, we'll just get rid of it. That is compassion? For whom? For the baby?

You know, my dog went down the street, hooked up with some stud, and came home pregnant. Would you be okay with me aborting those puppies because I can't afford them? I think the answer is probably no. But it's okay if it is a human being.

Again, you neglect to admit that only 1% of all abortions are due to any of the "health issues".

And hey...stop saying we force people to have babies. You had the sex, you laid down (not you, speaking generally)...you take responsibility for your actions. Those instances account for many more abortions than any of the health issues.

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[Xislandgirl]

I am not going to get into this conversation agin but I really have a question.

Does anyone really believe that what they say here will change the mind of those that disagree?

[cypressgirl]

We could argue the abortion issue until the end of time and we're not going to change any minds.

To change the subject, did you know that over the weekend you might have become rich? According to BO, rich is now 200,000. and not 250,000. as we were previously told.

[soxfan22]

Hey Flip - I have to apologize for my insensitive comment of "wow". I can't imagine being faced with the choice you had to make. I spoke with my wife about your situation, and she talked some sense into me. Though the two of us have similar opinions on abortion, your case is one that nobody should judge. I didn't think about the consequences of leaving children without their mother - which is a heartbreaking thought. We disagree with just about everything politically, but I was out of line.

I am sorry.

All the best,

Russ

[Pia]

Some on this thread are just NASTY - plain and simple !!!!!