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Sailorgirl...Do I think Bush wanted to be a 2 term president? Absolutely. Did he make decisions based on what the polls might've suggested he do? Absolutely not. He did what he though he had to do to number 1 - keep you and I and our kids safe. And he succeeded there.sailorgirl wrote:Are you kidding me.. Reelction was all The Brain, Karl Rove lived for. That West Wing was no diferent from any other, in permament re election mode. How else would they be able to create the permanant Republican majority. Come on now Sox...soxfan22 wrote: My favorite thing about Bush was that he never cared about winning re-election, or at least he didn't run his presidency as though he did. Polls were of no concern to him, which I actually admire.
I may have not worded my response the right way, but that was my point. Bill Clinton was notorious for making policy decisions based on which way the political wind was blowing.
July 2003 - Honeymoon at The Westin
July 2004 - Glenmar, Gifft Hill
July 2005 - Arco Iris, Fish Bay
December 2007 - Dreamcatcher, GCB
July 2008 - Ellison Villa, VGE
July 2004 - Glenmar, Gifft Hill
July 2005 - Arco Iris, Fish Bay
December 2007 - Dreamcatcher, GCB
July 2008 - Ellison Villa, VGE
Oh, I totally agree with you, Gina. My point was only that it is really the ONLY place where you can get ANY conservative point of view on TV, whatsoever. That's not to say that they don't also provide the left's views as well.GinaXOXO wrote:Sox, here is one place I have to gently disagree with you. Fox news is fair and balanced. I think the reason people want to criticize Fox is because they aren't on the liberal train like all the rest. I wouldn't say FOX is conservative . . . they lean that way . . . but they aren't blatantly slanted like MSNBC.Okay, so because there is ONE place on TV I can go to see a conservative POV, that is wrong?
July 2003 - Honeymoon at The Westin
July 2004 - Glenmar, Gifft Hill
July 2005 - Arco Iris, Fish Bay
December 2007 - Dreamcatcher, GCB
July 2008 - Ellison Villa, VGE
July 2004 - Glenmar, Gifft Hill
July 2005 - Arco Iris, Fish Bay
December 2007 - Dreamcatcher, GCB
July 2008 - Ellison Villa, VGE
Find one reference other than the one I copped to about Palin and her intelligence (in response to - don't forget - to someone saying our problem with her was that she was PRETTIER than us) where I have called you or Bush a name.
Further, my point about the Bush picture, was that BUSH being so reverent about his position and all, would disapprove of his image being used in such a manner.
Finally, back to Palin, it would be nearly impossible for her to NOT be popular in a state with 600,000 people that is arguably the most naturally resource rich in the country. Remember she gives rebate checks back to her people. The county I live is is two times bigger, by population, than Alaska. Anyway, here's an interesting article about her popularity in Alaska.
http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/oct/ ... st-nation/
Further, my point about the Bush picture, was that BUSH being so reverent about his position and all, would disapprove of his image being used in such a manner.
Finally, back to Palin, it would be nearly impossible for her to NOT be popular in a state with 600,000 people that is arguably the most naturally resource rich in the country. Remember she gives rebate checks back to her people. The county I live is is two times bigger, by population, than Alaska. Anyway, here's an interesting article about her popularity in Alaska.
http://www.newsminer.com/news/2008/oct/ ... st-nation/
I really don't have the time to make a running tally like you did, Flip. My perception is that you are pretty hostile towards Bush, and even more so towards Palin...And as you know, perception is reality.
July 2003 - Honeymoon at The Westin
July 2004 - Glenmar, Gifft Hill
July 2005 - Arco Iris, Fish Bay
December 2007 - Dreamcatcher, GCB
July 2008 - Ellison Villa, VGE
July 2004 - Glenmar, Gifft Hill
July 2005 - Arco Iris, Fish Bay
December 2007 - Dreamcatcher, GCB
July 2008 - Ellison Villa, VGE
A funny look at what the school grading system would look like if redistribution principles were applied there.
http://townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAda ... ing_policy
http://townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAda ... ing_policy
July 2003 - Honeymoon at The Westin
July 2004 - Glenmar, Gifft Hill
July 2005 - Arco Iris, Fish Bay
December 2007 - Dreamcatcher, GCB
July 2008 - Ellison Villa, VGE
July 2004 - Glenmar, Gifft Hill
July 2005 - Arco Iris, Fish Bay
December 2007 - Dreamcatcher, GCB
July 2008 - Ellison Villa, VGE
Re Palin, funny how lotsa folks think that only the liberal media elite (or is it elite liberal media? I cant keep that straight) or that she herself had nothing to do with how people reacted to her.
Some quotes from some non-liberals:
Kathleen Parker: "As we've seen and heard more from John McCain's running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn't know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion."
George F. Will: Palin is "obviously not qualified to be President"
David Frum (speech writer who wrote Bush's "axis of evil" speech): "I think she has pretty thoroughly -- and probably irretrievably -- proven that she is not up to the job of being president of the United States."
Peggy Noonan, former speechwriter for George H. W. Bush (remember "a thousand points of light"?): "[W]e have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office."
And some will never forget how offended (and called to action) they were by the unfiltered/unprompted "Real America" proclamations that were met with wild applause during a campaign rally in NC in mid-October.
Or, this line in her convention speech: "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity." – Palin in her speech at the Republican Convention, quoting the fascist right-wing columnist Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist and anti-Semite who once expressed his hope that Robert F. Kennedy would be assassinated.
Palin likely (hopefully?) had no idea who she was quoting. Maybe she just went to a quotable quotes site, and found one that fit her immediate purposes without knowing who said it, but then repeated it in the most important and closely scrutinized speech of her career.
I sincerely hope that she runs for national office again. We need more of that Us vs. Them stuff to really galvanize people. Plus, getting direct quotes from her on a regular basis was a such reliable source of entertainment.
Some quotes from some non-liberals:
Kathleen Parker: "As we've seen and heard more from John McCain's running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn't know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion."
George F. Will: Palin is "obviously not qualified to be President"
David Frum (speech writer who wrote Bush's "axis of evil" speech): "I think she has pretty thoroughly -- and probably irretrievably -- proven that she is not up to the job of being president of the United States."
Peggy Noonan, former speechwriter for George H. W. Bush (remember "a thousand points of light"?): "[W]e have seen Mrs. Palin on the national stage for seven weeks now, and there is little sign that she has the tools, the equipment, the knowledge or the philosophical grounding one hopes for, and expects, in a holder of high office."
And some will never forget how offended (and called to action) they were by the unfiltered/unprompted "Real America" proclamations that were met with wild applause during a campaign rally in NC in mid-October.
Or, this line in her convention speech: "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity." – Palin in her speech at the Republican Convention, quoting the fascist right-wing columnist Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist and anti-Semite who once expressed his hope that Robert F. Kennedy would be assassinated.
Palin likely (hopefully?) had no idea who she was quoting. Maybe she just went to a quotable quotes site, and found one that fit her immediate purposes without knowing who said it, but then repeated it in the most important and closely scrutinized speech of her career.
I sincerely hope that she runs for national office again. We need more of that Us vs. Them stuff to really galvanize people. Plus, getting direct quotes from her on a regular basis was a such reliable source of entertainment.
When we come to place where the sea and the sky collide
Throw me over the edge and let my spirit glide
Throw me over the edge and let my spirit glide
What are you saying, JMQ? That Palin should take some personal responsibility for the criticism and bad reaction she got from the majority of Americans for her statements and explanations of her positions? The more we got to know her the less we liked what we heard. Interesting.
And here I thought it was just all the elite liberal media's fault? Sure were a lot of conservatives on that bandwagon with them.
And here I thought it was just all the elite liberal media's fault? Sure were a lot of conservatives on that bandwagon with them.
You are so quick to dismiss Palin’s accomplishments and approval rating. If having a high approval rating is so easy in Alaska then why was Frank Murkowki’s approval rating only 19% when he left office??Flip Flop
Finally, back to Palin, it would be nearly impossible for her to NOT be popular in a state with 600,000 people that is arguably the most naturally resource rich in the country. Remember she gives rebate checks back to her people. The county I live is is two times bigger, by population, than Alaska. Anyway, here's an interesting article about her popularity in Alaska.
He was the preceding governor . . .same 600,000 people . . . same natural resources . . . yet not the same results, huh? Maybe while you are in your big ol' country, that is two times bigger, you should give credit where credit is due. No?
No, that just gave the liberal media time to spin stories and make you believe you have valid reasons to not like her.What are you saying, JMQ? That Palin should take some personal responsibility for the criticism and bad reaction she got from the majority of Americans for her statements and explanations of her positions? The more we got to know her the less we liked what we heard. Interesting.
Ok, aside from the fact that I don't need the media to outline for me what I know from her record: I disagree with her about just about every issue (in fairness, I would disagree with any true conservative on most of those issues). It goes beyond that.GinaXOXO wrote:No, that just gave the liberal media time to spin stories and make you believe you have valid reasons to not like her.What are you saying, JMQ? That Palin should take some personal responsibility for the criticism and bad reaction she got from the majority of Americans for her statements and explanations of her positions? The more we got to know her the less we liked what we heard. Interesting.
Why did all the conservatives pile on? People are are not known at all for their liberal notions. Not just one or two, but many.
As for her AK popularity, I don't know but if I had to venture a guess it would be that her stance on broader national issues (not relevant in a statewide election) went largely unspoken. As those were exposed and became relevant, people who were paying close attention because of the light of the national stage, started to reexamine their opinion of her.
Near as I can tell those people didn't move out of state and get replaced with liberals overnight. The same people are being polled right? The people who may very well have loved her as a Gov. (Which I have conceeded she may be very well suited for at least in the state of Alaska) did not like her at all for VP. Just a thought. I am not trying to intimate that I KNOW the answer, I am just offering plausible alternatives to the "media fed them lies and they bought it without thinking" argument.
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He did what he though he had to do to number 1 - keep you and I and our kids safe. And he succeeded there.
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I'm saying this last thing and then I'm out of this discussion. It is a fasle equivalency. Just because there hasn't been another attack of the scale of 911 on our soil does not necessarliy mean we have been
"kept safe." If that is the sole criteria under which you chose to judge the Bush legacy then I beleive your view is too narrow. Our world in many ways is a much more dangerous place than it was at the begining of The Bush presidency. Our economic vunerability for one example places us in an untenable position. better start learning Mandarin!
So with that said, Im really out of this discussion. Enjoy!
He did what he though he had to do to number 1 - keep you and I and our kids safe. And he succeeded there.
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I'm saying this last thing and then I'm out of this discussion. It is a fasle equivalency. Just because there hasn't been another attack of the scale of 911 on our soil does not necessarliy mean we have been
"kept safe." If that is the sole criteria under which you chose to judge the Bush legacy then I beleive your view is too narrow. Our world in many ways is a much more dangerous place than it was at the begining of The Bush presidency. Our economic vunerability for one example places us in an untenable position. better start learning Mandarin!
So with that said, Im really out of this discussion. Enjoy!
Well, that proves it doesn’t it . . . Palin must be all the things you believe Westbrook Pegler to be. Maybe she was part of the Kennedy assassination. Come on, you can’t see how absurd this is?? It is a quote that describes how many people feel about their communities regardless of who originated it.Or, this line in her convention speech: "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity." – Palin in her speech at the Republican Convention, quoting the fascist right-wing columnist Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist and anti-Semite who once expressed his hope that Robert F. Kennedy would be assassinated.
Sarah Palin was talking about small town values and she was not being literal. The phrase "small town values" means closeness or a sense of community that people feel toward their neighbors. It means supporting one another and helping when someone needs help. When someone mentions small towns generally they talk about how friendly they are and helping a stranger with directions . . . exhibiting small town values. But these values aren't exclusive to small towns and we all know that.
How are these attitudes and behaviors polarizing? How is talking about helping each other out when they’re in need a bad thing? Don’t we want more Americans to be kind to each other? How many people before Palin have talked about small town values??
What is going on here is that the left has dug and spun this quote to make it look like Palin is polarizing or quoting a really bad guy . . . whatever. Anyone will just a little common sense sees it for what it is. Smear.
FlipFlop: Palin's approval rating today is about the same as Obama's today. You seem to think that is a good approval rating when applied to Obama . . . then is it not a respectable approval rating for Palin??As for her AK popularity, I don't know but if I had to venture a guess it would be that her stance on broader national issues (not relevant in a statewide election) went largely unspoken. As those were exposed and became relevant, people who were paying close attention because of the light of the national stage, started to reexamine their opinion of her.
If I could venture a guess to why Palin's approval rating is down I would still blame in on the liberal media. Don't Alaskans watch the same tv programs as we do? Aren't they exposed to the same smears as we are?? If everyone on tv is saying it then it must be true, right??
Right, they were exposed to the same things we were and if they did not take the time to do their homework . . . as too many do not . . . then the conclusions they draw would be the ones fed to them by the liberal media.
She didn't just say it in the convention speech. She continued it, repeatedly on the road while campaigning.
Sarah Palin: "We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. ... We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensoboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008
Tell me this .. where is the NON-"Real" America? NYC, DC, liberal elite cities? Again, DC and NYC paid a dear price on 9/11 and might just take a teensy bit of offense to anyone implying that there is a REAL vs. a non-patriotic America.
Other memorable quotes that may have called her readiness in to question.
Q: What does the VP do?
SP:
"[T]hey're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes..." --Sarah Palin, getting the vice president's constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008
Before you jump all over me, how about this one:
"As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co", July 2008
Q: "Why isn't it better to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?
Gov. Sarah Palin: "That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the -- it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."
My personal fav: "They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." --Sarah Palin, on her foreign policy insights into Russia, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008
"Perhaps so." --Sarah Palin, when asked if we may need to go to war with Russia because of the Georgia crisis, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008
"I have not, and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you." --Sarah Palin, after being asked if she had never met a foreign head of state, despite the fact that every vice president in the last 32 years had met a foreign head of state prior to taking office, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008
Was it the liberal media's fault that she didn't know the Constitutional role of the VP or how to form a coherent answer to a question. Granted, the economic question was a tough one, but really don't you want to at least be able to follow your VP's train of thought?
Sarah Palin: "We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. ... We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation." --Sarah Palin, speaking at a fundraiser in Greensoboro, N.C., Oct. 16, 2008
Tell me this .. where is the NON-"Real" America? NYC, DC, liberal elite cities? Again, DC and NYC paid a dear price on 9/11 and might just take a teensy bit of offense to anyone implying that there is a REAL vs. a non-patriotic America.
Other memorable quotes that may have called her readiness in to question.
Q: What does the VP do?
SP:
"[T]hey're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes..." --Sarah Palin, getting the vice president's constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008
Before you jump all over me, how about this one:
"As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" --Sarah Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co", July 2008
Q: "Why isn't it better to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families who are struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries; allow them to spend more and put more money into the economy instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?
Gov. Sarah Palin: "That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health-care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy, helping the -- it's got to be all about job creation, too, shoring up our economy and putting it back on the right track. So health-care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions and tax relief for Americans. And trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, scary thing. But one in five jobs being created in the trade sector today, we've got to look at that as more opportunity. All those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."
My personal fav: "They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska." --Sarah Palin, on her foreign policy insights into Russia, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008
"Perhaps so." --Sarah Palin, when asked if we may need to go to war with Russia because of the Georgia crisis, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008
"I have not, and I think if you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you." --Sarah Palin, after being asked if she had never met a foreign head of state, despite the fact that every vice president in the last 32 years had met a foreign head of state prior to taking office, ABC News interview, Sept. 11, 2008
Was it the liberal media's fault that she didn't know the Constitutional role of the VP or how to form a coherent answer to a question. Granted, the economic question was a tough one, but really don't you want to at least be able to follow your VP's train of thought?