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[Pia]

Yes, Soxfan, I think your use of the term "boy" was racist. You didn't even realize it, which is the point.

Argue amongst yourselves for the rest of the night. I traveled all day for work and am shutting it down.

Right...Just like Tom Brady is "my boy"...Or like Karl Rove is GWB's boy...It's a pretty well accepted term - only the narrow minded would accuse someone of racism for using it.

Do you get your talking points from Pia?

Hey how did I get in on this one???? so now I'm going to say this........Soxfan I find you to be the one of the most condescending, rude, arrogant, insensitive, mean ****** I have had the displeasure of cyber knowing and you are 100% correct on the BB !!

Over and out with you.

[soxfan22]

And before it gets lost in the shuffle...

Pia, this is maybe more directed at you, since you forced me to answer a very personal hypothetical:

Does anybody else have a problem with this statement from Barack Obama regarding his views on abortion?

"If one of my daughters makes a mistake and becomes pregnant - I don't want her punished with a baby.".

Is that the type of personal responsibility that will be advocated for in an Obama White House?

Again sir...You are no JFK, who asked us all to take personal responsibility for ourselves.

[RonUSVI]

I guess this is why I don't argue politics or religion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I see it going in circles. That's all.

[soxfan22]

Yes, Soxfan, I think your use of the term "boy" was racist. You didn't even realize it, which is the point.

Argue amongst yourselves for the rest of the night. I traveled all day for work and am shutting it down.

Right...Just like Tom Brady is "my boy"...Or like Karl Rove is GWB's boy...It's a pretty well accepted term - only the narrow minded would accuse someone of racism for using it.

Do you get your talking points from Pia?

Hey how did I get in on this one???? so now I'm going to say this........Soxfan I find you to be the one of the most condescending, rude, arrogant, insensitive, mean ****** I have had the displeasure of cyber knowing and you are 100% correct on the BB !!

Over and out with you.

Pia, you insinuated that people not voting for Obama were racist.

"If one of my daughters makes a mistake and becomes pregnant - I don't want her punished with a baby.".
-Obama

[sailorgirl]

Just the facts:

Under President Reagan, the capital-gains tax rate was cut again in 1981 to a maximum of 20 percent, from about 40% then increased in 1986 to 28 percent, with a small additional increase in the early 1990s to 29.19 percent. In 1997, as a result of the Clinton-Gingrich compromise, the rate was cut to 21.19 percent. In 2003 the rate was cut to a 15 percent maximum.

So I guess one could argue that Obama is merely taking a page from Reagan's book.

It all relative to what the tax was before. Reagn CUT capital gains from the abomination that was the Carter administration.

Obama will Raise capital gains.

Just the facts.

Just trying to point out historically that we seemed to survive with a 20% Cap gains Tax, and some might say even thrive. You can spin it anyway you like, but the rate was at 20% which is where Obama says he wants to put it for families over 250K.

[Xislandgirl]

Come on Sox, put it in context. We has not talking about Abortion

The exchange appeared to be prompted by Obama’s earlier comments that he does not favor abstinence-only education, but rather comprehensive sexual education that includes information on abstinence and birth control.

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

[pjayer]

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pjayer wrote:
"Proof in Obama's own words that redistribution of wealth is his goal."

Nothing personal to anyone here, but I don't think repeating the redistribution of wealth chant as a very smart strategy on the part of the Republicans right now. I guess I just don't see the political downside when the majority of Americans blame consolidation of power and concentration of wealth for having created the current economic fiasco in the first place. I know if I were laid off, couldn't pay my bills, the bank came and took my home, and I had to go live with Pipanale , the thought of a little wealth redistribution would sound pretty nice. Especially since my government just redistributed the wealth to the tune of $700,000,000,000 to the very Wall Street financiers who couldn't manage it to begin with. I really don't see how McCain can justify labeling Obama a socialist, when he voted for one of the largest government bailouts in history.


Apparently my point was lost, so I’ll try to give it another shot.

What I was trying to say is that if Republicans and McCain/Palin were smart, they would stop repeating over and over how their opponent wants to redistribute the wealth. Regardless of anyone’s opinion on the merits of Obama’s proposal, shouldn’t that be obvious? Really, what is the downside to a redistribution of the wealth for the disenfranchised voter or the hard working man or woman who struggles to make ends meet? What the middle and lower class voters are hearing from McCain and Palin right now (when they’re not busy talking about Obama) is nothing different from the trickle down, supply side, voodoo economics that’s not worked out too well for them. If Republicans want to win, they’ve got to come up with some new policies or “talking points” that appeal to a wider range of voters. Otherwise, we’re looking at the possibility of a one party controlled House and Senate with the same party sitting in the White house, and that’s not a healthy way to run a government.


SJ wrote - "It doesn't sound like you have a good understanding of the bailout and the problems with Fanny and Freddy. Google search Barney Frank and Freddy and Fanny for a better understanding of the problem and how McCain tied to warn congress about the situation concerning the bailout in 2006."


And SJ, I’m not claiming to have a full and complete understanding of the financial crisis. But, if I wanted additional information, it wouldn’t come from a Google search that only includes the three Fs. I believe I would throw in “leveraging”, “bundling”, “credit-default swaps (CDS)”, and “due diligence” as well. I might even read a few hard copy articles written by economists and other financial experts just to spice it up a bit.

And, yes. I did know both candidates voted for the bailout and wasn’t trying to imply otherwise.

Edited to correct typo.

[sailorgirl]

Come on Sox, put it in context. We has not talking about Abortion

The exchange appeared to be prompted by Obama’s earlier comments that he does not favor abstinence-only education, but rather comprehensive sexual education that includes information on abstinence and birth control.

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

So will we now get a real answer to Pia's question?

[JT]

Oh, Boy! {Damn! Did I really use that word?], here I go again, after I said that I was over and out on the politics thing.
The use of the word "boy" when referring to an adult, or any, black male, is construed as being extremely insensitive and racist any where in this country. That said, too often, people in this country are entirely too damned sensitive when no insult was intended, subliminally or not. Man, if Don Rickles started his career today he wouldn't stand a chance.

Moving on... 16 years ago the drumbeat of many in this country was that if Slick Willie Clinton got elected then the economy would go to hell in a hand basket and socialism was inevitable. Then he got elected. I don't think that the sky fell, nor did the stock market the way many people predicted. He appointed a highly respected Lloyd Benson as Secretary of the Treasury and the economy did fine. To me, the worse thing that happened in two terms was the fact that no compromise could be reached between the Republican congress and the administration regarding Hillary's health plan. And yes, I do think that was worse then the Whitewater, sex scandal, and ensuing Ken Starr fiasco combined.

Jimmy Carter was not a very good president. He was a micro- managing Washington outsider that didn't even try to play the game with congress. He was also very unlucky. He came in while the entire country, including the congress, was totally enthralled with Watergate. The Shah was deposed in Iran and the religous zealots took over. The hostage fiasco happened. Before he took office OPEC had gotten it's act together like they never had before, or after, and raised the hell out of oil prices. Inflation, [which had already been rising under Nixon to a point that he had put on a wage and price freeze], went through the roof. But say what you want, the peanut farmer was a good man, but a lousy president.
One thing that I agree with McCain about: Americans are tough. We'll survive whatever happens next week.

[Xislandgirl]

One thing that I agree with McCain about: Americans are tough. We'll survive whatever happens next week.

I think we can all agree with that!

[loria]

JT
you 've got to give Carter props for being something of a visionary on energy and the environment. agree with pretty much everything else you said, but he really was leading the charge 30 years ago--and we'd be in much better shape had we listened better

[Pete (Mr. Marcia)]

Soxfan...try this little experiment in your workplace. Walk up to a black man and say, "hey my boy!" (Then duck). Then, walk up to a different black man and say, "hey my man!"

Report back with your findings.

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[flip-flop]

Come on Sox, put it in context. We has not talking about Abortion

X- But that doesn't make it near as divisive a soundbite! Shame on you for providing context.

[soxfan22]

What does it mean when he says he "doesn't want her punished with a baby"? Does it mean that if that was the case, he would support his daughter having an abortion after all of his education went for naught?

Regardless of what he meant, I could never call a baby in any circumstances, a punishment.