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[Pete (Mr. Marcia)]

Yes, Soxfan, I think your use of the term "boy" was racist. You didn't even realize it, which is the point.

Argue amongst yourselves for the rest of the night. I traveled all day for work and am shutting it down.

[soxfan22]

Terry - I'm not part of the cult either. In fact, I'm probably the least likely among us to get invited to a beach bar gathering in the future. I'm okay with that though. The island for me has always been about it's natural beauty, and it's friendly local population. Oh, and of course St. John Spice...Which reminds me...running low - must get back!

But, these people know their STJ. This place is truly a wealth of information in that regard. And of course, if you need a recipe, you can PM liamsaunt.

Still love this forum. Just have a different view of some of the inhabitants.

[soxfan22]

Yes, Soxfan, I think your use of the term "boy" was racist. You didn't even realize it, which is the point.

Argue amongst yourselves for the rest of the night. I traveled all day for work and am shutting it down.

Right...Just like Tom Brady is "my boy"...Or like Karl Rove is GWB's boy...It's a pretty well accepted term - only the narrow minded would accuse someone of racism for using it.

Do you get your talking points from Pia?

[Terry]

soxfan22
Just trying to get your attention. Brownies are free radicals.

Where do you work? You have some passion for politics.

Hope things work out for you.

[Lulu76]

Maybe it's different outside the South, but calling a grown man, especially a black man, "boy" IS considered racist here. It was how the overseers kept the slaves in line and reminded them they were the inferior race. I know you don't live in the South, so I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but I can see how folks would interpret it that way.

[soxfan22]

soxfan22
Just trying to get your attention. Brownies are free radicals.

Where do you work? You have some passion for politics.

Hope things work out for you.

Free radicals...Like Bill Ayers! Ha! That was funny.

I'm in biotech for a "big, evil corporation".

I've only had a passion for politics since 9-11. Prior to that, I used to sit there and wonder why we had to police the world (Bosnia, Somalia, etc). Then 9-11 happened, and my entire world outlook changed. I saw that there were people out there who wanted to do us harm no matter what our policies were.

Not saying I'm right about that view - that's just my personal walk. I voted for clinton in 1996, and Gore in 2000. I remember watching the House floor when they decided Bush won in 2000 in great disappointment. Looking back, I think that was a signature day in the history of the security of this country.

We went from Clinton and his MASSIVE defense cuts, to Bush and his defense build-up. When people talk about the deficit, they neglect to mention that part of the reason Clinton had a surplus was because he cut so much from the defense budget. And part of the reason Bush has run a greater deficit is because he had to build that defense again after 9-11 that Clinton cut.

I do have a hard time with people who think that if we had someone in office that Europe likes, that our problems would go away. That we'd be singing kum-baya (however you spell it).

I also have a problem with people who have such hatred for this president, that they cannot be man or woman enough to tip their cap to him despite their differences to say, "thank you sir for helping to keep this country safe for 8 years". That did not happen by accident.

SOME take it all for granted in this country, and I think we are in for a rude awakening.

[sailorgirl]

Just the facts:

Under President Reagan, the capital-gains tax rate was cut again in 1981 to a maximum of 20 percent, from about 40% then increased in 1986 to 28 percent, with a small additional increase in the early 1990s to 29.19 percent. In 1997, as a result of the Clinton-Gingrich compromise, the rate was cut to 21.19 percent. In 2003 the rate was cut to a 15 percent maximum.

So I guess one could argue that Obama is merely taking a page from Reagan's book.

[soxfan22]

Just the facts:

Under President Reagan, the capital-gains tax rate was cut again in 1981 to a maximum of 20 percent, from about 40% then increased in 1986 to 28 percent, with a small additional increase in the early 1990s to 29.19 percent. In 1997, as a result of the Clinton-Gingrich compromise, the rate was cut to 21.19 percent. In 2003 the rate was cut to a 15 percent maximum.

So I guess one could argue that Obama is merely taking a page from Reagan's book.

It all relative to what the tax was before. Reagn CUT capital gains from the abomination that was the Carter administration.

Obama will Raise capital gains.

Just the facts.

[AnyTing]

Flag on the field.

Just a friendly referee call here. While "boy" can certainly be a racist term, "your boy" or "my boy" are well known colloquial terms that refer to someone you really like. It's youthful slang. I am old and even I know that.

Carry on but please keep the hits above the belt.

[soxfan22]

Flag on the field.

Just a friendly referee call here. While "boy" can certainly be a racist term, "your boy" or "my boy" are well known colloquial terms that refer to someone you really like. It's youthful slang. I am old and even I know that.

Carry on but please keep the hits above the belt.

Thanks Vicki - I tried to explain that, but you are more eloquent than I.

I am a conservative - but I don't have a racist bone in my body.

[loria]

soxfan,
if i read correctly, you are in the pharma industry? is that correct?
and as such, you probably have more than a passing knowledge of scientific research--right?
i would be interested in hearing your take on Governor Palin's recent dismissal of the importance of funding scientific research using drosophilla/fruit flies.

[RonUSVI]

Speaking of refereeing. I wonder if this will go on until the end. The same people saying the same thing over and over again. Get a life guys. I doubt anyone will be swayed by what you say. Jorge asked some questions to help him decide. He has voted. Quite some interesting discourse among what were perceived to be forum friends. Wow.

[linne]

Hi!

I have had a mini vacation in our little cottage, and it has taken some time for me to come through this topic after my return. WOW it’s so interesting to see how intelligent, enthusiastically people can have such different opinions .

And as usual I cannot resist bringing a voice from Denmark.

The war
I know that Europe wouldn’t had been the same, if the Americans haven’t helped us with soldiers and weapons during WW I and II and had given economic help after the war. We have to be grateful for that.

I supported our government when they, opposite other European countries, decided to send soldiers to Iraq. I thought that we did the Iraqi people a favour. And perhaps we did. Time will show that.

I still support that we have soldiers in Afghanistan, even though it’s so sad to hear every time a soldier is killed. But as long our soldiers think it serves a purpose to be there, I’m with.

BUT even though weapons and soldiers sometimes solve a problem, I’m not sure that every problem can be solved with weapons and soldiers. Sometimes you have to try a new way, which can be to negotiate with your enemies instead of bombing them. You risk to create new enemies in that way.

Like Jorge, I think the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is a big, big problem, more than the economic crisis (even though we personally are hit). I hope the new president in USA will be able to help.

Higher taxes
I can see that some people in USA really have fear for higher taxes.

I know that what is good for a mouse perhaps isn’t good for an elephant, so I cannot compare little Denmark with the big USA. But I think it gives foods for thoughts to look at in which investigations Denmark is among top ten countries.

The most honest people
Less corruption
Smallest difference between poor and rich
Good economy
Happiest people

and number one when it comes to, which people pay most in tax. And it’s not only in Denmark you see that. In other European countries you see nearly the same pattern.

I also would like to save tax, but it comforts me to know what the money is used for (even though I don’t agree in everything).

Health Care
In the moment we of course see and hear a lot about USA, and TV and radio have reporters who is travelling around talking with ordinary people. Some of the stories are chocking. People, who need to sell their house, because it’s the only way they can pay the bills, they have had for treatment of their illness, too example cancer. Some of them couldn’t afford to have insurance and some of them have had insurance through their job, but they have reached the limit amount. I don’t say our health system is perfect, and I also think that people in some way need to be responsible for their own life, but no one would come in such a situation here in DK - or I think in any European country. I cannot understand that a country like USA, where it’s told that people are more Christian than in Europe, can allow that people both have to worry about their illness and about paying the bills for the treatment
(and soxfan, I have read your answer about the hospitals, who cannot deny to treat a person, but it cannot explain these stories).

Free abortion
As a woman and a European I don't think it surprises you that I feel that it’s up to the woman to decide, if she want an abortion or not. I’m sure it’s a very difficult choice for every woman, and here in DK you always have a dialogue with a doctor before the decision. If you don’t have free abortion many would try to have an illegal abortion, which can harm both the woman and perhaps the child too. You cannot stop an unhappy woman, who wants an abortion. To minimize the abortions you have to make such conditions for the women so that they are able to bring up a child, even though they are alone or perhaps very poor. And if the child is conceived because of incest or rape or the woman’s life will be in danger, you of course have to accept abortion.

Another thing I cannot understand is, why the people, who is against taking life through free abortion, sometimes are the same people, who defend the right for every man to have a weapon, and who support death penalty. Is life only sacredly for an unborn?


Hope you will accept and not hate the person, who will be the next president of USA, regardless if it’s Mc Cain or Obama. And I don’t trust all these treaths from people, who say they will move to another ountry, if the person they like, isn’t elected. It can happen in a country ,where they have, what is called democracy, and who would want lo live in a country without that?

best wishes!

Linne

[flip-flop]

I am sorry but I find it amusing that someone reading this thread, clearly denoted as "POLITICAL", 18 pages in, finds it annoying and says others should get a life.

I am not trying to attack you Ron, I just find it funny. Perhaps it is like watching a train wreck.

I do suspect it will go on to the end. For better or worse, there are some very passionate people here. At times the discussion turns bitter and ugly, but there is also quite a bit of thoughtful commentary.

[David- n Hampton, VA]

Wow, Got here this morning and saw 18 pages worth......

Can't wait to see what happens tomorrow.....and I agree with Flip Flop who was/is amused by people who find other people's strong attitudes annoying....calling on others to "get a life"


I am sitting here chuckling. I hope another thread starts some where that is equally entertaining.

Thanks everyone......for allowing me to see (despite my wife's opinion) that I am NOT the only person that is willing to argue with a stop sign.