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soxfan22 wrote:

loria wrote:last i heard McCain's people were out there knocking on doors as well...hmmm and BUshes folks did it, as did Kerry's and GOres and the legions before them.....so i don't see your point.

Yeah, well, I don't remember any of them making public pleas for their supporters to take the day off work to do so.

Presumably half the voting public favors Obama. Now, I realize many of Obama's supporters don't work, but is it really wise in this economy to ask that many people to take the day off work?
I mean, I know "this is the time we've been waiting for, people of Berlin, citizens of the world"...But this is crazy.

I would love for you to tell me where you got this information. It is elitist to think that only the unemployed support Senator Obama. I am educated and employed with a mortgage and investments. Does that mean that I should be voting for McCain?

You have been nothing short of rude to anyone that does not share your beliefs. You attitude is doing a major disservice to the party and to your candidate. Undecided voters will see nothing but negative attacks on those that have differing opinions.

I wish your candidate luck, with supporters like you, he will need it.

X - does he not get a lot of his support from college students?

Do they work?

I started working in politics in college in 1994. I also have a degree in political science and presidential elections were my area of focus. There is absolutely, positively nothing out of the ordinary about a candidate -- from city council to presidential -- to ask his or her supporters to take a day off from work (not just calling out, a scheduled day off) to help on election day. There are people who pass out sample ballots at the polls, people who answer the phones at the office to field last-minute questions, people who drive senior citizens and disabled people to vote and, in this day and age, people who sit at the polls and wait for the problems that inevitibly happen on election day. And, these people are from both parties, Republican and Democrat.

Candidates have always needed volunteers to help out on election day. In fact, many people have pushed for election day to be a national holiday. My last boss (not this one) gave us the day off with pay to do what we pleased.

The only reason you're noticing it Obama's Web site is because he is the first candidate to adapt to technology and use it to his advantage to mobilize his supporters, which is part of why I think he's doing so well. In the old days, they'd just ask people who'd been working on the campaign all along or more likely, someone would call all the volunteers and sign them up for shifts on election day.

Just a little historical perspective for everyone.

soxfan22 wrote:X - does he not get a lot of his support from college students?

Do they work?

ROTFLMAO!--you comedian you!---oh, wait, that wasn't meant to be funny.....?

soxfan22 wrote:X - does he not get a lot of his support from college students?

Do they work?

Many do, surely even you know that. My neice is a Sr. with a 3.9 GPA and works both on and off campus. Not uncommon at all.

Must you always answer a question with another question? I asked you where you got your information and you can not give me a credible fact filled answer. Maybe it is time you just let this rage against Obama go and focus your energy on something else. I am sure, when put to good use, your passion for issues would be a benefit. Your current tactics are certainly not swaying anyone.

flip-flop wrote:
McCain is after all the one calling for buying up bad mortgages from banks and renegotiating with home owners giving them a new lower principle and better terms. This came out of his mouth at one of the debates (#2 I think if you want to watch it for yourself). We (the collective taxpaying we) paying a premium and the holder of the new more favorable home loan 1) gets rewarded for a really bad decision and 2) gets to reap the benefit of their increased home value when it goes back up, as it will. How is that NOT redistribution? And here goes my favorite word again ... hypocrisy.

You are prachin' to the choir, Flip. I nearly passed out when I heard McCain say that he wanted to buy back and renegotiate all of the bad mortgages. BTW, 95% of mortgages in this country are paid on time - so the rest of us are going to be punished for the 5% of people who made poor decisions?

McCain, in his effort to regain his "Maverick" status (I am so sick of that word!), has tried to move himself more to the center (in my view he was already there, maybe even slightly to the left).

This is why most conservatives like myself haven't like the nomination of McCain from day 1. But for my political views, he is by far a more appealing choice than Obama. I know McCain loves his country - I'm not so sure about Obama.

Let me tell you, I went to a liberal college (it shocks you all, I know), and our College Republicans group was a pretty big group. It's not just Democrats who are mobilizing college students.

A lot of college students work. I worked THREE jobs to put myself through college.

soxfan22 wrote:X - does he not get a lot of his support from college students?

Do they work?

Well when I put myself through college I worked 30-40 hours a week. In grad school, I worked a full time job and went to school full time. My nephew, from a far more upperclass family than mine, works while at school even though he doesn't have to, because he wants to.

So I'd say YES, students work. Not all of them, but I would venture to say most. They have to since their parents college fund accounts are down 40% now.

Many, many college students are putting in hours upon hours to volunteer in the campaigns - BOTH campaigns. Yes, Obama is more appealing to the youth vote. How would he NOT be?

soxfan22 wrote:X - does he not get a lot of his support from college students?

Do they work?

My two step daughters and my college age neice all work and go to school at the same time, as did I, as did my husband as did my brother and his wife.

Even if College students did not It really an unfair comparison.

So David and Sox, you aren't concerned that the McCain/Palin campaign is being run like it is? Its OK to second guess and play Monday morning quarterback with your own team!

I get the fact that the Us vs.Them and a lot of their other themes are red meat for the base, but then the economy blew up, so couldn’t it be argued that they didn’t pivot quickly enough away from the divisive stuff that wasn’t playing well with the center?

And then when they tried that whole suspending the campaign thing, and that went over like a lead balloon. This is (was?) a very winnable election for McCain, because there are legitimate questions about Obama and yes, sad to say this, but that old Swift Boat playbook probably would've worked if the economy didn't blow up. But man o man, you have to be able to make the right adjustments to win a close game.

And regarding Palin, even folks on the right (I know - only the egghead intellectuals) are questioning the choice of Palin – again, maybe playing to the base too much at the expense of the center and undecideds? Its conceivable McCain could’ve picked almost anybody and not had any significant defections from dyed in the wool Republicans and even moderate conservatives, considering who he was running against.

If I were you guys, I would be going nuts right now thinking if only he picked Romney. Probably would’ve made those in the GOP who didn’t even like the choice of McCain even madder, but imagine how that would've been played over the past few weeks, having him front and center, talking about his experience as a successful businessman and what he did to turn the Mass. economy around as a Republican Gov in that blue state, instead of having Palin up front talking about the "real America".

PS I cant believe its freakin snowing right now in central NJ...

[quote="soxfan22"
I know McCain loves his country - I'm not so sure about Obama.[/quote]

See here's the fundamental difference between us. I know McCain loves his country. I also know Obama does. I even think GWB does. They all love their country.

I like McCain 1.0. I don't even know who McCain 2.0 is. I don't recognize him. I don't think the 2000 McCain would recognize who he has become. He is a great hero but he is not a great leader. His campaign is a testiment to that. Back and forth, start and stop, up and down.

I love how they keep bringing up that Palin has more executive experience than Obama and Biden. By that definition, she has more executive experience than McCain. Should she be at the top of the ticket?

I guess I should've been more specific and said "work full time".

Only 25% of college students hold down a full-time job while attending school.

soxfan22 wrote:I guess I should've been more specific and said "work full time".

Only 25% of college students hold down a full-time job while attending school.

Can you quote your sources? Both comments please.

flip-flop wrote:[ By that definition, she has more executive experience than McCain. Should she be at the top of the ticket?

Absolutely. If not Romney, then Palin. Please.

There is a reason why we have not elected a senator president since JFK. They don't run anything. They sit around, hobnob with lobbyists (all of them), give their opinions, and cast votes.

Or, if you're talking about Obama in the Illinois state legislature - they vote "present".

Until of course, it was time to guarantee babies of botched abortions proper medical care - he decided to vote against that one.

Xislandgirl wrote:

soxfan22 wrote:I guess I should've been more specific and said "work full time".

Only 25% of college students hold down a full-time job while attending school.

Can you quote your sources? Both comments please.

Sure.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/fyi/teache ... index.html