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Iowa is a surprising place
Oh by the way, that baseball field IS real. The owner kept to his word and kept it open for anyone who felt the desire to visit it.
It's in Dyersville, Iowa and I actually hit a ball or two there with some friends on a stop through town. I even have a "Field of Dreams" ball cap from the visit.
I thought I read somewhere that it was closed down but I guess I heard wrong. Here are some links about the field.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_D ... nty,_Iowa)
If you'd like to visit:
http://www.fieldofdreamsmoviesite.com/distance.html
It's in Dyersville, Iowa and I actually hit a ball or two there with some friends on a stop through town. I even have a "Field of Dreams" ball cap from the visit.
I thought I read somewhere that it was closed down but I guess I heard wrong. Here are some links about the field.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_of_D ... nty,_Iowa)
If you'd like to visit:
http://www.fieldofdreamsmoviesite.com/distance.html
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Oh.. and another reason I like Iowa: One of my all time favorite artists lives there.. Brian Andreas. He does the STORYPEOPLE.
He's a pretty cool guy and as a general rule I think he has some pretty cool things to say about life, love and understanding. Something I think everyone could use a little more of.
http://www.storypeople.com/storypeople/ ... nMenu=true
He also has a pretty cool blog under Zen Bandit:
http://www.zenbandit.com/
I particularly like this entry:
http://www.zenbandit.com/daily-sketches ... ieves.html
He's a pretty cool guy and as a general rule I think he has some pretty cool things to say about life, love and understanding. Something I think everyone could use a little more of.
http://www.storypeople.com/storypeople/ ... nMenu=true
He also has a pretty cool blog under Zen Bandit:
http://www.zenbandit.com/
I particularly like this entry:
http://www.zenbandit.com/daily-sketches ... ieves.html
*Another fine scatterbrained production
Well, Ive gotta give my 2c worth here, and you can keep the change. Personally I don't really get why anybody really gets so worked up about someone's sexual orientation, much less denying people basic civil rights. I think it's more because the prejudice was ingrained, from birth, in most of the population without any rational reasoning.flip-flop wrote:My question is simple. Can anyone articulate why it is we should afford a particular right to one set of citizens that we deny another? I would truly like to understand if there is a legitimate reason or underlying argument against same sex marriage.
Now, that said, I don't get why any man would have a desire for a man over a woman. For me it just doesn't compute. Crap, if there is anything to reincarnation and I come back as a woman, I'll tell you right now, I'm going to be a lesbian. Be damned if I want some smelly, rough faced guy snuggling up to me.
When you find yourself in a hole.... quit digging.
I'm waiting for a late meeting so what the hell, I'll play! (apologies in advance for the langauge but I'm feeling punchy!) This one's for you Flip!!
Q. What is traditional marriage?
A. One that starts with fucking in the bedroom and 20 years later includes yelling "fuck you" at one another as they pass in the hallway.
Q. What rights do peole who are married have that those who are not married denied?
A. Being as miserable as the rest of us heterosexual folks.
Q.What is the limit? Can 3 people of the same sex be married? Can 2 people of the same sex and one of the opposite sex be married?
A. YAY!! Does this mean I get to have another husband? Gee ... more money and more orgasms. Score!
Q. Why have marriage?
A. Good point. It's really just organized prostitution when you get right down to it -- only women make LESS money out of the deal.
Q. Who invented marriage?
A. Probably some poor bastard who was bored and wanted to fuck with us.
*Editors Note* I honestly and truly love and adore my husband of nearly 11 years and he and I truly believe that Gay marriage should be legal so that homosexuals can be as miserable as the rest of us.... why should we have a monopoly on til death do us part?
Q. What is traditional marriage?
A. One that starts with fucking in the bedroom and 20 years later includes yelling "fuck you" at one another as they pass in the hallway.
Q. What rights do peole who are married have that those who are not married denied?
A. Being as miserable as the rest of us heterosexual folks.
Q.What is the limit? Can 3 people of the same sex be married? Can 2 people of the same sex and one of the opposite sex be married?
A. YAY!! Does this mean I get to have another husband? Gee ... more money and more orgasms. Score!
Q. Why have marriage?
A. Good point. It's really just organized prostitution when you get right down to it -- only women make LESS money out of the deal.
Q. Who invented marriage?
A. Probably some poor bastard who was bored and wanted to fuck with us.
*Editors Note* I honestly and truly love and adore my husband of nearly 11 years and he and I truly believe that Gay marriage should be legal so that homosexuals can be as miserable as the rest of us.... why should we have a monopoly on til death do us part?
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toes in the sand
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SJ - you answer my question and I'll be glad to answer your list of questions. I have yet to hear ONE person articulate an argument defending the position that a subset of our population is denied a right that is afforded to others simply because of sexual orientation.
You tell me why it is they should not be afforded this right, that they clearly desire, and I'll be happy to answer your inquiries.
Until then I'll assume that anyone opposed to same sex unions bases their opposition on either homophobia or a deeply held religious conviction. One I can respect, the other not so much.
You tell me why it is they should not be afforded this right, that they clearly desire, and I'll be happy to answer your inquiries.
Until then I'll assume that anyone opposed to same sex unions bases their opposition on either homophobia or a deeply held religious conviction. One I can respect, the other not so much.
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My opinion is based on deeply held religious beliefs. And yes, this topic does hit much closer to home than you think. My opinion is still no different. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Yeah, make fun of me and call me some kind of right wing religious fanatic. That's OK. We all know it's not popular to be a Christian, and I am not a big fan of organized religion, I just want to please Jesus, the Lord of my life. I have a long way to go, and I'm not where I need to be, but I'm not where I was. Life is a journey, and I hope when I get to the end of mine, He is pleased with me and says "Good job Deb, come on in". This life is very short. Eternity is forever. If I'm wrong, I've lost nothing, and still gained so much.
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toes in the sand
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I should know better than this but here it goes; Who exactly is trying to deny one subset of our population a right that is afforded to others simply because of sexual orientation?
Websters dictionary has long defined marriage as the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law.
Same sex couples are offered civil unions that can offer the same benefits as marriage does opposite sex couples.
Websters dictionary has long defined marriage as the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law.
Same sex couples are offered civil unions that can offer the same benefits as marriage does opposite sex couples.
"got a drink in my hand and my toes in the sand"
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cypressgirl
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I may be wrong, but I do not believe that a "civil union" allows one partner to collect Social Security benifits that a marriage allows.toes in the sand wrote:I should know better than this but here it goes; Who exactly is trying to deny one subset of our population a right that is afforded to others simply because of sexual orientation?
Websters dictionary has long defined marriage as the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law.
Same sex couples are offered civil unions that can offer the same benefits as marriage does opposite sex couples.
Again, still, I hear a lot of "it shouldn't be allowed" but no one stepping up and saying specifically how same sex marriage will be detrimental or WHY they care who another consenting adult marries. Other than Cypress and like I said while I respect her deeply held religious beliefs we should not be legislating in the name of relgious conviction.
I don't advocate forcing churches to marry same sex couples unless they choose to do so.
I've been watching this issue (not just here but in the broader media) and have yet to hear anyone really go into the nitty gritty detail of WHY they are opposed. Other than the biblical/religious argument. If you feel so strongly as to deny this right then articulate that position. There is no denying there are rights afforded married couples that same sex couples are not afforded - one being federal benefits to one's spouse.
Again, no more than I could choose to be gay do I believe someone can simply choose to be straight. Why are we not able to respect people's choices and allow them to be who they are especially when it has no negative impact on my life or the lives of others. I would argue forcing people into the closet and having them live unfulfilled "straight" lives to conform is far more detrimental in the long run.
Like I said before the tide is turning, the ship has sailed, the train has left the station. It is just a matter of time. Though a slim majority still opposes same sex marriage the gap is narrowing and among the younger generation those in favor out number those opposed - most having the attitude ... what is the big deal?
I don't advocate forcing churches to marry same sex couples unless they choose to do so.
I've been watching this issue (not just here but in the broader media) and have yet to hear anyone really go into the nitty gritty detail of WHY they are opposed. Other than the biblical/religious argument. If you feel so strongly as to deny this right then articulate that position. There is no denying there are rights afforded married couples that same sex couples are not afforded - one being federal benefits to one's spouse.
Again, no more than I could choose to be gay do I believe someone can simply choose to be straight. Why are we not able to respect people's choices and allow them to be who they are especially when it has no negative impact on my life or the lives of others. I would argue forcing people into the closet and having them live unfulfilled "straight" lives to conform is far more detrimental in the long run.
Like I said before the tide is turning, the ship has sailed, the train has left the station. It is just a matter of time. Though a slim majority still opposes same sex marriage the gap is narrowing and among the younger generation those in favor out number those opposed - most having the attitude ... what is the big deal?