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Trip Withdrawl Question
Pete-
I get what you are asking, but I think if you book with another couple, you mentally have to put the $ aside.
Job loss or not.
It isn't fair to inflict one's financial hardship on others....unless there is an agreement prior that would say "its okay to cancel if....".
The only excpetion for me would be illness where the world "stands still"...cancer, heart attack, whatever...where you have to make a decision and worry about details later.
I get what you are asking, but I think if you book with another couple, you mentally have to put the $ aside.
Job loss or not.
It isn't fair to inflict one's financial hardship on others....unless there is an agreement prior that would say "its okay to cancel if....".
The only excpetion for me would be illness where the world "stands still"...cancer, heart attack, whatever...where you have to make a decision and worry about details later.
"Sponges grow in the ocean...I wonder how much deeper it would be if that didn't happen."
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Jan&MikeVa
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Pete..........Marcia bailing....it'll be snowing in St John before that'll happen!! P.S. Your dream villa awaits you 
Okay folks, my 2 cents. I cannot for any reason, except my immediate family, consider booking any kind of trip without equal deposits. Although we have never bailed on a trip, I would definately pay my share. If they decide to bring someone along then I would accept our money back.
Bottom line................BE CAREFUL WHO YOU PLAN VACATION TIME WITH.
Okay folks, my 2 cents. I cannot for any reason, except my immediate family, consider booking any kind of trip without equal deposits. Although we have never bailed on a trip, I would definately pay my share. If they decide to bring someone along then I would accept our money back.
Bottom line................BE CAREFUL WHO YOU PLAN VACATION TIME WITH.
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ClevelandDave
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Our Trip Cancellation Insurance offered a "Cancel for Any Reason" provision for about $90. Well worth it.
While the villa rental may not be covered (since the rental isn't being cancelled), the plane tickets would be and those proceeds should be used to offset the obligation.
If I had to cancel, I would of course pay up and I would expect the other party to do the same. Hopefully, everyone bought the correct insurance.
If I could swing it and it involved the right folks, I would consider footing the entire villa bill with quid pro quo expected down the road.
Dave
While the villa rental may not be covered (since the rental isn't being cancelled), the plane tickets would be and those proceeds should be used to offset the obligation.
If I had to cancel, I would of course pay up and I would expect the other party to do the same. Hopefully, everyone bought the correct insurance.
If I could swing it and it involved the right folks, I would consider footing the entire villa bill with quid pro quo expected down the road.
Dave
Pay - if they can replace you and recoup some of your funds, then graciously accept them with many apologies. If I'm the one being stuck with a villa that I can not afford on my own, you better believe I want those funds. It's hard enough to pay for my own vacation without having to cover someone else's share. If I could, I would and try to get them to come anyway, but I don't ever really see that happening, short of winning a lottery I don't even play!
Deb
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crasherino
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At the end of the day, if there was no alternative to be found, I would absolutely pay my share.
But, I would hope that my friends and I could try and figure out a solution where I wouldn't be on the hook for the full amount. If I am going to cancel (or if someone was going to cancel on me)it would have to be a very serious situation -unless the person is a real d-bag, which I'm not and anyone I would travel with is not. Being that there was an unexpected situation that caused the cancellation, all parties should work together to make the best of the situation.
I would ask my friends to see if they could find someone else who they are comfortable traveling with. If necessary, I would throw in some $$ as those backup people probably weren't budgeting for a vacation.
If all options were exhausted, I would pay the money as I made the commitment.
But, I would hope that my friends and I could try and figure out a solution where I wouldn't be on the hook for the full amount. If I am going to cancel (or if someone was going to cancel on me)it would have to be a very serious situation -unless the person is a real d-bag, which I'm not and anyone I would travel with is not. Being that there was an unexpected situation that caused the cancellation, all parties should work together to make the best of the situation.
I would ask my friends to see if they could find someone else who they are comfortable traveling with. If necessary, I would throw in some $$ as those backup people probably weren't budgeting for a vacation.
If all options were exhausted, I would pay the money as I made the commitment.
I think if disaster struck; a death in the family, illness, a loss of income then the key would be considerate and timely (as soon as reasonably possible) communications with the parties involved. Just a simple phone call explaining why you must change your plans and an offer to do whatever you can to help rectify the financial end should keep true friendships in tact I would think.
That said, when you make travel plans with people you don't really know that well you takes your chances. I'd only book with a place that would accept seperate payment from each party, so if one cancelled then I wouldn't be on the hook to cover their share. Just my 2 cents and worth what you paid for it.
In general I'm totally with Pete(Marcia's Pete....I've got one too). We travel to be together...that's our time and I'm selfish about sharing it. If my Pete should bail on me you can be sure that the pain and suffering he would endure would be swift and lacking in mercy.
That said, when you make travel plans with people you don't really know that well you takes your chances. I'd only book with a place that would accept seperate payment from each party, so if one cancelled then I wouldn't be on the hook to cover their share. Just my 2 cents and worth what you paid for it.
In general I'm totally with Pete(Marcia's Pete....I've got one too). We travel to be together...that's our time and I'm selfish about sharing it. If my Pete should bail on me you can be sure that the pain and suffering he would endure would be swift and lacking in mercy.
Let's say...for example, we'd put down our money for this summer's trip before we found out that we were having a baby. And our friends had given us their half of the deposit.
We'd have paid the other half. They would not have let us. We would have paid and then, most likely, they would have tried to find another couple to travel with who would go with them. then, the'd get those people to "refund us".
Travel with another couple can be tricky. We did it once in 2000 to go to Disney with some friends. When we got home, the settle-up was literally to the penny.
With our current travel-mates, we usually settle somewhere to the nearest $250. You have to be careful. Travel can end a friendship as easily as it strengthens one.
But...bailing on a friend (or friends) who you have agreed to share an expense with is a total dick move. That's low-class.
We'd have paid the other half. They would not have let us. We would have paid and then, most likely, they would have tried to find another couple to travel with who would go with them. then, the'd get those people to "refund us".
Travel with another couple can be tricky. We did it once in 2000 to go to Disney with some friends. When we got home, the settle-up was literally to the penny.
With our current travel-mates, we usually settle somewhere to the nearest $250. You have to be careful. Travel can end a friendship as easily as it strengthens one.
But...bailing on a friend (or friends) who you have agreed to share an expense with is a total dick move. That's low-class.
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chicagoans
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This is how I would imagine it would be for us. We would pay our half no matter what, and our friends would try to find a way to help us get some of our money back -- by inviting other people, working something out with the villa management, etc.pipanale wrote:We'd have paid the other half. They would not have let us. We would have paid and then, most likely, they would have tried to find another couple to travel with who would go with them. then, the'd get those people to "refund us".
We have done several trips with friends over the years, both pre-kids and with kids, including STJ. It always ends up that each couple is ready to pay more than their fair share. (We initial the receipts and divvy up at the end. It's always something like "I drank more beer - I'll pay more." "No, I have more kids, I'll pay more.") We must be lucky; we've only had great experiences traveling with friends. And to get back to the original question, choice A would keep us all friends with no hard feelings!
If I booked at trip of this expense with someone it is because he/she/them is someone that I am am friends with and care about.
If something would happen that would prevent them from coming I would know about the situation because, again, I am friends with them and would be aware of their issues. I would be more worried about my friend at this point than the $$.
I think it's my own personal responsibility to know who I am booking a trip with and know that they would not back out on me unless it was major. Then, it would be my responsibility to pay the balance myself, find someone else to take their place or not to go.
I think the key to any group trip to communicate, in detail, what the expectations are before the trip is booked. We were thinking of doing a group trip in 2010. I sent everyone interested in the trip a detailed info sheet which included all the costs. This is what I wrote on the bottom:
Cancellation: If you need to cancel once your deposit is paid, your deposit will only be refunded if the group finds another couple to fill your spot. It is up to the group to find another couple that will fit in with everyone. If the group does not find another couple to take your spot, your deposit will not be refunded the balance due will be split between the rest of the group.
I believe the question comes down to what is the "morally right thing" to do. The answer...to know the "morals" of the person your booking a trip with.
XOXO
Bug
If something would happen that would prevent them from coming I would know about the situation because, again, I am friends with them and would be aware of their issues. I would be more worried about my friend at this point than the $$.
I think it's my own personal responsibility to know who I am booking a trip with and know that they would not back out on me unless it was major. Then, it would be my responsibility to pay the balance myself, find someone else to take their place or not to go.
I think the key to any group trip to communicate, in detail, what the expectations are before the trip is booked. We were thinking of doing a group trip in 2010. I sent everyone interested in the trip a detailed info sheet which included all the costs. This is what I wrote on the bottom:
Cancellation: If you need to cancel once your deposit is paid, your deposit will only be refunded if the group finds another couple to fill your spot. It is up to the group to find another couple that will fit in with everyone. If the group does not find another couple to take your spot, your deposit will not be refunded the balance due will be split between the rest of the group.
I believe the question comes down to what is the "morally right thing" to do. The answer...to know the "morals" of the person your booking a trip with.
XOXO
Bug