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[Terry]

Nobody is right...it's everyone's right to their opinion.

Some of us are just tired of things and are ready to move on. It's called growing up and moving on, or letting go and moving on. It's really very simple.

Someone here said it best with kids and toys and not wanting to share. "It's mine and I'm not going to share". Same thing. That theory is how we got here in the first place.

[soxfan22]

Feel safe yet?

Yes, I do feel safe. We haven't had an incident here in 8 years. Immediately following 911, the prevailing opinion was that we wouldn't go 8 months without another attack. Do you remember those feelings?

Maybe we've just been lucky. Maybe bin laden's dialysis treatments have gotten the best of him. Or, maybe the radical muslim world has stopped hating us.

Or, maybe we can thank George W. Bush.

[JT]

OMG...I'm so sorry Sox is "out of bounds with the majority of the people on this board". Who says they are right>??????

Cypressgirl, When saying he is "out of bounds" I am referring to his personal attacks and name calling, not his political leanings. All in all we've all had a pretty civilized discussion of our political differences.
And another thing. Where did you get the idea that the "evil Cheney's" give 70-80% of their income to charity? According to the White House's information page in 2006 they had a taxable income of $1,614,862 and donated $104,425 to charity. A tidy sum, I'll agree, but it's actually just a pinch over 7% of their taxable income, a far cry from 70-80%.

[verjoy]

UH..JT-

You have done a fair amount of name calling yourself. Save the hate mongering for the Daily Kos.

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[jmq]

Pia – I suspect your post of that eMail provoked nothing but thought for most folks, not righteous indignation. Don’t feel bad though. Other posts meant as food for thought citing actuarial data about McCain’s age and concerns about his metastatic cancer got a similar reaction.

Speaking of reactions, what if Obama and his supporters were similarly outraged at the labels being thrown around about them? Not a lot of that going on, because maybe they don’t want to come off sounding like thin skinned ideologues.

[soxfan22]

And another thing. Where did you get the idea that the "evil Cheney's" give 70-80% of their income to charity? According to the White House's information page in 2006 they had a taxable income of $1,614,862 and donated $104,425 to charity. A tidy sum, I'll agree, but it's actually just a pinch over 7% of their taxable income, a far cry from 70-80%.

Well JT, I think cypressgirl was referring to this:

http://www.pgdc.com/pgdc/news-story/200 ... o-generous

You had to go back to 2006 when the cheney's gave away 77% of their AGI to three charities not afilliated with the Katrina relief fund. They did so because they knew other major charities were going to be negatively impacted by the huge donations that would be redirected to the Katrina fund.

Now if you'd like, we can talk about Joe Biden averaging $369.00 (that's like, a playstation 3 or a really crappy laptop) a year over the past decade in charitable contributions.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/e ... cial_N.htm

Typical lib...everyone else should pay more "just not me".

Or, if you're a Kennedy...everyone should be willing to have wind turbines in their backyards - just don't put any in Buzzards Bay.

Oh, and for good measure...John McCain gave 26% of his income to charity in 2007. Biden gave .3%! What a joke!

[JT]

I got the info about their 2006 deductions from the White House's release. My only point is they didn't donate 70-80% of their taxable income as stated. They have donated an incredible amount over the years though.I really don't care who gave what except when it was said that they give 70-80% I found it to be incredulous so I checked it out and found the White House's own release on their taxes. Seemed like a pretty reliable source. The link you supplied regarding Biden's donations also stated that the Cheney's only donated 1% of the 20 odd million they made from 1989-1999. Regarding McCain donating 26% of his salary, BFD, he's married to a near billionaire.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 413-8.html

[soxfan22]

I got the info about their 2006 deductions from the White House's release. My only point is they didn't donate 70-80% of their taxable income as stated. They have donated an incredible amount over the years though.I really don't care who gave what except when it was said that they give 70-80% I found it to be incredulous so I checked it out and found the White House's own release on their taxes. Seemed like a pretty reliable source.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 413-8.html

The year in question, and the one to which cypress I'm sure was referring, was 2005. In 2005, he donated 77% of his AGI to charity.

If you look on the bottom of that white house page, it says that in 2006, he donated $104,000 - bringing his total during his VP tenure to 7 mil. That math doesn't add up unless there was a year that was an outlier - that would be 2005.

[jimg20]

OMG...I'm so sorry Sox is "out of bounds with the majority of the people on this board". Who says they are right>??????

The problem here is that the arguments are being twisted around and taken out of context. The statement was, "...but you have gotten personal to a point of being out of bounds with the majority of people on this board." This was not directed at his point of view. The boundary that JT wrote about was regarding the civility of the argument. That is not too different from what I said a short time ago.

This is the kind of reasoning that will cause the moderator to close this thread and prevent further discussion of the issues.

JIM

[soxfan22]

Regarding McCain donating 26% of his salary, BFD, he's married to a near billionaire.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 413-8.html

What is BFD? A new kind of tighty-whitey's?

So is John Kerry, BTW (Theresa HEINZ Kerry). He's not winning any medals (pardon the pun, ha!) for his philanthropic efforts. And he certainly isn't donating 26% of his income to anybody. In fact, there were a few years in the 1990's when his returns showed that he donated...drumroll...wait for it...wait...yup...a big, fat, goose egg.

But hey, he looked soooo presidential!

[jimg20]

So is John Kerry...

To paraphrase that great American hero John McCain, if you want to run against John Kerry, you should have run four years ago.

JIM

[JT]

[quote="soxfan22"][quote="JT"]
What is BFD? A new kind of tighty-whitey's?

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Big Freaking Deal

And, as I said, I only was questioning the percentage raised regarding Cheney's contributions. I don't care about Kerry, McCain, Biden etc.

[cypressgirl]

Conservatives are always held to a higher standard. That's fine...I hope I can live up to my own standards.

[cypressgirl]

This is the kind of reasoning that will cause the moderator to close this thread and prevent further discussion of the issues.

JIM[/quote]

Well, let's put our big girl panties on and have fun until then.