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Okay...just gotta ask
Okay...just gotta ask
Medical maryjane.
Our State is going nuts with this. We have more medical facilities popping up than the entire nation needs. I have to admit that it's great extra income, but I'm afraid to move in that direction.
Have you ever gone into a facility? It's so drugstore. Pick out the pot you want and they fill your perscription.
Any "DR" will give you a perscription.
I never imagined that MJ would be legal in my lifetime. Even though I was living in that generation. I haven't endulged in probably 35 years, but this is tempting! Husband brought brownies and crispies treats home tonight from his electrician. Have to say it was mildly good and relaxing.
I hear that you can pick any brand of home grown you want up to a high peak. Pick your own brand? What is this?
Your opinion?
Our State is going nuts with this. We have more medical facilities popping up than the entire nation needs. I have to admit that it's great extra income, but I'm afraid to move in that direction.
Have you ever gone into a facility? It's so drugstore. Pick out the pot you want and they fill your perscription.
Any "DR" will give you a perscription.
I never imagined that MJ would be legal in my lifetime. Even though I was living in that generation. I haven't endulged in probably 35 years, but this is tempting! Husband brought brownies and crispies treats home tonight from his electrician. Have to say it was mildly good and relaxing.
I hear that you can pick any brand of home grown you want up to a high peak. Pick your own brand? What is this?
Your opinion?
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California Girl
I've never been into one of those places, but they're everywhere here, too. I'm really in favor of legalizing it. It's definitely not as bad as alcohol, and I would love it if the price came down some! California is in such dire straights financially, I really think legalizing it and taxing it would benefit the State's budget. Not to mention, all the money wasted arresting and jailing minor offenders. I'd love to see the law go after the real offenders...hard drugs. Also, if it was legalized, it sure would put some of those cartels out of business!
Alright, so I haven't researched this at all. But from when I was in grade school on I was told that marijuana was a gateway drug. So, because of all of the addictions in my family I opted out and never tried it--out of fear of going to something truly horrible.
I guess my biggest question is whether or not marijuana is a gateway drug. I admit that I have a real hard time imaging teenagers openly high--you know?
Also, what are your thoughts on Substance-Induced Psychotic Disorder? Honestly, I believe I have two in-laws, who were serious users, that have gone a little bat crap crazy starting in their 40's. While it is possible that it is genetic I am leaning toward believing it is drug induced because the non-users aren't crazy. And by crazy I really mean crazy. I suspect one will end up in an institution and right now both are on disability.
Anyway, there is a lot to think about. I wouldn't want to make this decision. There are very strong feelings on both sides.
Gina
I guess my biggest question is whether or not marijuana is a gateway drug. I admit that I have a real hard time imaging teenagers openly high--you know?
Also, what are your thoughts on Substance-Induced Psychotic Disorder? Honestly, I believe I have two in-laws, who were serious users, that have gone a little bat crap crazy starting in their 40's. While it is possible that it is genetic I am leaning toward believing it is drug induced because the non-users aren't crazy. And by crazy I really mean crazy. I suspect one will end up in an institution and right now both are on disability.
Anyway, there is a lot to think about. I wouldn't want to make this decision. There are very strong feelings on both sides.
Gina
haha chet...that was funny.
On a more serious note. I'm not sure if I get the gateway drug thing. I know alot of people in my life who smoked pot and they're all fine. Too old now to smoke anyway.
Personally, I gave it up years ago and I didn't go through any withdrawal. I used it mostly to be able to sleep.
I also know younger people in their 20s/30s that started on pot and got into more serious drugs. Was it the pot that caused this? No, I think it's the person. Their choice to take more dangerous drugs.
The biggest thing I see lately is Doctors prescribing pain pills by the 100s. That's a serious situation around here.
On a more serious note. I'm not sure if I get the gateway drug thing. I know alot of people in my life who smoked pot and they're all fine. Too old now to smoke anyway.
Personally, I gave it up years ago and I didn't go through any withdrawal. I used it mostly to be able to sleep.
I also know younger people in their 20s/30s that started on pot and got into more serious drugs. Was it the pot that caused this? No, I think it's the person. Their choice to take more dangerous drugs.
The biggest thing I see lately is Doctors prescribing pain pills by the 100s. That's a serious situation around here.
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Berlingirl
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Gina...have two of the same in-laws in my family...the older ones Substance-induced Psychotic Disorder was induced by Vodka. Now a full blown paranoid schizophrenic on full disability living in a group home heavily medicated. The second takes whatever he can get his hands on...oxicontins, viocodins, etc and was just diagnosed a few months ago as well on his way to the same fate. Sad, he is only 31, unemployed as he can't hold a job and doesn't believe he has a problem. Neither were lured to their fate by the "demon weed".XOXO wrote:
Also, what are your thoughts on Substance-Induced Psychotic Disorder? Honestly, I believe I have two in-laws, who were serious users, that have gone a little bat crap crazy starting in their 40's. While it is possible that it is genetic I am leaning toward believing it is drug induced because the non-users aren't crazy. And by crazy I really mean crazy. I suspect one will end up in an institution and right now both are on disability.
Anyway, there is a lot to think about. I wouldn't want to make this decision. There are very strong feelings on both sides.
Gina
Don't know about the gateway argument. Is beer/wine gateway to "hard liquors"? Are cigarettes gateway to Pot?
Don't know, lots of people have personality disorders and substance abuse (legal and illegal) makes them worse.
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toes in the sand
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I don't believe it is a gateway drug either.
You simply have an addictive personality or you don't.
For anyone considering trying weed now that it is "legal" in your area.. If you have gone substance free this long there is ZERO reason to change this now, IMO.
When I was 17-21 it was a nice high but as I got older the buzz wasn't always so grand. Friends of mine that still smoke are all self-medicating. They simply can't function without it.
It's not that they are hooked or addicted by the drug, they simply are treating their own symptoms.
You simply have an addictive personality or you don't.
For anyone considering trying weed now that it is "legal" in your area.. If you have gone substance free this long there is ZERO reason to change this now, IMO.
When I was 17-21 it was a nice high but as I got older the buzz wasn't always so grand. Friends of mine that still smoke are all self-medicating. They simply can't function without it.
It's not that they are hooked or addicted by the drug, they simply are treating their own symptoms.
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Teddy Salad
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Looks like so far the consensus here is for reform of the MJ laws.
I read where a judge in Centennial said "No one knows what the law is right now". Excuse me, a judge doesn't know what the law is? That tells me the laws are way too convoluted.
Something most people don't know is that William Randolph Hearst and the DuPont corporation were highly influential in making hemp production illegal in the US in the 1930's. Hearst because he was afraid it would cut into his timber and newsprint profits and DuPont because it was worried that hemp production would hurt their fledgling nylon industry. The first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Harry Anslinger, was appointed to his post by DuPont chief financial backer Andrew Mellon, who was Secretary of the Treasury. Anslinger even later became Mellon's nephew-in-law!
I think that not only should marijuana be legal, we need to take a hard look at decriminalizing other drugs. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol in the 1920's and it isn't working now with "drugs". Education, regulation and taxation wouldn't make for a perfect world--there will always be abusers--just a better world with less crime and corruption and fewer nonviolent prisoners in our overcrowded prisons. Just my humble opinion.
I read where a judge in Centennial said "No one knows what the law is right now". Excuse me, a judge doesn't know what the law is? That tells me the laws are way too convoluted.
Something most people don't know is that William Randolph Hearst and the DuPont corporation were highly influential in making hemp production illegal in the US in the 1930's. Hearst because he was afraid it would cut into his timber and newsprint profits and DuPont because it was worried that hemp production would hurt their fledgling nylon industry. The first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, Harry Anslinger, was appointed to his post by DuPont chief financial backer Andrew Mellon, who was Secretary of the Treasury. Anslinger even later became Mellon's nephew-in-law!
I think that not only should marijuana be legal, we need to take a hard look at decriminalizing other drugs. Prohibition didn't work with alcohol in the 1920's and it isn't working now with "drugs". Education, regulation and taxation wouldn't make for a perfect world--there will always be abusers--just a better world with less crime and corruption and fewer nonviolent prisoners in our overcrowded prisons. Just my humble opinion.
On that note, SJ...Here's a clip from the mid 90's movie "Friday" with Chris Tucker and Ice Cube. IMO, the absolute most hysterical "MJ" movie of all time.SJfromNJ wrote:I didn't smoke it all dude, that wouldn't have been cool.toes in the sand wrote:Hey! I was savin' that!SJfromNJ wrote:I haven't smoked pot since I found some in a film container in a house I rented in St John. That was about 7 years ago.
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I wish I could find the clip. On day on NPR they interviewed a 20 something about medical marijuana. He said basically "Dude I get the prescription because I get stressed." To which the interviewer responded, "what causes your stress." Our hero responds, " I get stressed when I can't smoke." No lie it!
I think somelimits should be placed. It has a use for those on chemo, with MS and those who are having serious appetite issues like AIDS patients, but for "stress" I think not. Let them cop on the corner like the rest.
I think somelimits should be placed. It has a use for those on chemo, with MS and those who are having serious appetite issues like AIDS patients, but for "stress" I think not. Let them cop on the corner like the rest.
I've been around it for over 40 years. I don't partake these days, but many of my friends do. I just think that it's bull poop to incarcerate people for it, and I think that it's a huge waste of law enforcement's money and time to pursue it. As to whether someone should smoke it, or not, I believe that if it helps you find your God, then it's a good thing. If you make it your god, then it's a bad thing. You often see people get violent when they drink booze. I never really saw anyone do a couple of hits and want to go get in a fight. At least if herb was the only thing that they were partaking in. I also don't believe that most people can work most jobs effectively when stoned, though I have personally witnessed an awful lot of great stained glass work produced when there was some wig adjustment going on.
When you find yourself in a hole.... quit digging.
I think this is a discussion that should have happened a long time ago on a National level. Having been a life-long substance abuser myself, I have some personal insight on this subject. I know, what a shock a guy that played in a rock band for 25 years with a substance problem. I started playing in bands in bars when I was 14 years old. I was already drinking, smoking pot and doing acid/mushrooms by the time I was 16. By the time I was 18 or 19, I was a full blown alcoholic and cocaine addict. That was the beginning of the end of my music career that I had worked so hard for. By the time I was 27 I had quit playing music other than casually. After a few more years of abuse, I got divorced. After a year or so of drowning myself in my sorrows, I became paralyzed on my right side by a growth in my neck. I spent the next two years dinking and doctor shopping for prescription pain killers. The pills were by far the worst rehab out of them all. I had figured that if I had kicked a bad coke habit, I could tackle anything. I was very wrong. In that time frame I met my wife and have been free from booze, pills and cocaine for over 10 years. Up until the last year that is....
Hence my long winded post. I've seen and done it all and I can tell you unequivocally that pot is the least harmful substance that is abused. The worst part of pot is that it's illegal. The biggest harm that can come from smoking pot is getting busted! Isn't that pretty stupid? I've never once heard of someone dying from smoking too much pot. Have you ever known anyone who has died an alcohol or other drug related death? I don't have enough fingers or toes to count them at this point in life and I'm guessing that there are very few on this forum that have been unaffected.
Throughout my whole addiction ordeal, I've found that smoking pot has always been a "safe-haven" of sorts. After my pill ordeal I became very depressed and they started giving me different MAOI's to combat my depression. They all had varying degrees of side effects that I found unacceptable. I finally went to my doctor for my quarterly checkup one day and I told him that I had stopped taking all that crap a couple of months ago and started smoking pot. I thought I was in for a long lecture, but to my surprise his attitude was great. He said if it helped great but, he couldn't really condone it. I've been smoking since then and I 've depression free. Do I think that's the best course of treatment? Probably not for everyone, but I don't think you can discount the benefits of something the FDA won't even let researchers study. The Federal statutes regarding marijuana are archaic and ridiculous.
"I think somelimits should be placed. It has a use for those on chemo, with MS and those who are having serious appetite issues like AIDS patients, but for "stress" I think not. Let them cop on the corner like the rest."
Granted, that kid is a bonehead who is abusing the system. But your statement illustrates the lack of real thought that has permeated this argument for decades now. Let me ask you this, would you like that guy "copping" on your corner of mine?
I find it amazing that in this day and age everyone is still under the grips of the propaganda from the "Refer Madness" campaign in the late 30's and early 40's. Someone had mentioned William Randolph Hearst and DuPont as killing industrial hemp in that same period. I've heard anecdotal evidence that Congressman from the South first started fighting the "scourge", because it made their slaves lazy, as far back as the early 1800's. It was all BS then too. They realized that hemp was a much more resilient crop than cotton. Thomas Jefferson grew hemp at Monticello. As you can see the whole issue has been a misinformation campaign to protect wealthy people. What a shocker.
About a year ago I injured my back and found out that I also have degenerative spine issues as well. I'm now back on the narcotics (ugh!) and trying to figure out how to minimize that issue in my life. I've found that smoking marijuana has greatly reduced the amount of pills I take. In the evening I can smoke and get a decent nights sleep without feeling like I'm waking up from a coma every morning. So, see it does have some legitimate uses for people besides cancer and aids.
They just recently passed a medical marijuana bill here in VT. In my opinion, the law is too vague. It uses arbitrary terms like "usable marijuana". Who determines that, the cop that's harassing you for legally growing in your own home? It also has weak definitions of who can be a "provider". It's a great start, but it could use some tweaking. The real problem is not running afoul of the Feds when crafting legislation. Hence the need for national reform before communities can decide for themselves how to resolve the issue.
Now that I'm done raving about marijuana. I'm going to go out on a limb here and probably take a beating from a bunch of Cruzan lovers....
Why the hell isn't the same approach taken with alcohol that was taken with cigarettes? They should start taxing the crap out of it until the price of a six pack has quadrupled. One can apply the same societal arguments to drinking that was used on smokes. Why should non-drinkers bear the financial burdens caused by drinkers. Insurance premiums are higher, healthcare is more expensive, court and jail costs rise, others are injured by co-dependence....you get the idea. The list could go on and on. Why isn't anyone taking this approach. It costs us all millions every year. One word....LOBBYISTS!
That's my 12 cents....
Hence my long winded post. I've seen and done it all and I can tell you unequivocally that pot is the least harmful substance that is abused. The worst part of pot is that it's illegal. The biggest harm that can come from smoking pot is getting busted! Isn't that pretty stupid? I've never once heard of someone dying from smoking too much pot. Have you ever known anyone who has died an alcohol or other drug related death? I don't have enough fingers or toes to count them at this point in life and I'm guessing that there are very few on this forum that have been unaffected.
Throughout my whole addiction ordeal, I've found that smoking pot has always been a "safe-haven" of sorts. After my pill ordeal I became very depressed and they started giving me different MAOI's to combat my depression. They all had varying degrees of side effects that I found unacceptable. I finally went to my doctor for my quarterly checkup one day and I told him that I had stopped taking all that crap a couple of months ago and started smoking pot. I thought I was in for a long lecture, but to my surprise his attitude was great. He said if it helped great but, he couldn't really condone it. I've been smoking since then and I 've depression free. Do I think that's the best course of treatment? Probably not for everyone, but I don't think you can discount the benefits of something the FDA won't even let researchers study. The Federal statutes regarding marijuana are archaic and ridiculous.
"I think somelimits should be placed. It has a use for those on chemo, with MS and those who are having serious appetite issues like AIDS patients, but for "stress" I think not. Let them cop on the corner like the rest."
Granted, that kid is a bonehead who is abusing the system. But your statement illustrates the lack of real thought that has permeated this argument for decades now. Let me ask you this, would you like that guy "copping" on your corner of mine?
I find it amazing that in this day and age everyone is still under the grips of the propaganda from the "Refer Madness" campaign in the late 30's and early 40's. Someone had mentioned William Randolph Hearst and DuPont as killing industrial hemp in that same period. I've heard anecdotal evidence that Congressman from the South first started fighting the "scourge", because it made their slaves lazy, as far back as the early 1800's. It was all BS then too. They realized that hemp was a much more resilient crop than cotton. Thomas Jefferson grew hemp at Monticello. As you can see the whole issue has been a misinformation campaign to protect wealthy people. What a shocker.
About a year ago I injured my back and found out that I also have degenerative spine issues as well. I'm now back on the narcotics (ugh!) and trying to figure out how to minimize that issue in my life. I've found that smoking marijuana has greatly reduced the amount of pills I take. In the evening I can smoke and get a decent nights sleep without feeling like I'm waking up from a coma every morning. So, see it does have some legitimate uses for people besides cancer and aids.
They just recently passed a medical marijuana bill here in VT. In my opinion, the law is too vague. It uses arbitrary terms like "usable marijuana". Who determines that, the cop that's harassing you for legally growing in your own home? It also has weak definitions of who can be a "provider". It's a great start, but it could use some tweaking. The real problem is not running afoul of the Feds when crafting legislation. Hence the need for national reform before communities can decide for themselves how to resolve the issue.
Now that I'm done raving about marijuana. I'm going to go out on a limb here and probably take a beating from a bunch of Cruzan lovers....
Why the hell isn't the same approach taken with alcohol that was taken with cigarettes? They should start taxing the crap out of it until the price of a six pack has quadrupled. One can apply the same societal arguments to drinking that was used on smokes. Why should non-drinkers bear the financial burdens caused by drinkers. Insurance premiums are higher, healthcare is more expensive, court and jail costs rise, others are injured by co-dependence....you get the idea. The list could go on and on. Why isn't anyone taking this approach. It costs us all millions every year. One word....LOBBYISTS!
That's my 12 cents....
