Informal poll... Obama or McCain?

sailorgirl · Post by **sailorgirl** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:51 am

[quote="SJfromNJ Just because the Constitution is silent or vague about the specifics dosen't make mean it was not implied. [/quote]

With all due respect however SJ
you have just stated the premise for Roe v. Wade... there is an implied right of privacy built into the Constitution. Your argument in support of denying the right to choose is actually the basis of the right to choose.
This is a debate which keeps constitutional theorists in business, ie., does the meaning of the constitution change as society changes or is it a static document.

Jo Ann - VA · Post by **Jo Ann - VA** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:04 am

I learned a long time ago to not discuss politics, sex or religion at work. After reading this thread I've learned not to discuss it on a forum either!

Bug · Post by **Bug** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:04 am

Lex wrote:A thread like this can have quite an impact on a forum. This forum, for the most, likes to think of itself as "family" and prides itself in not being like those other forums.

I certainly agree with Lex that this thread "could" have a negative impact on our family. I would like to remind everyone that even family members (husband/wife, brother/sister, parent/child)disagree on these types of topics. It doesn't mean you should love each less, it just means you are different. I love all my forum peeps know matter who the heck you vote for

XOXO
Bug

chicagoans · Post by **chicagoans** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:15 am

soxfan22 wrote:I had always been against all forms of abortion. Until, my wife began talking to me about rape and incest. I have changed my opinions on those RARE CASES over the last year or two.

You've mentioned one of the reasons why I feel that I could never make this decision for someone else (and why I don't want some suit in Washington to make the decision for me or my daughter.) God forbid some 13 year old is raped and then forced to carry the reminder of that brutality for 9 more months. However, think about this. If abortion is legal in cases of rape or incest but illegal in other cases, couldn't that raise the possibility of someone who got pregnant by accident, deciding to call it rape because it's the only legal way to end a pregnancy? What a nightmare for the police, boyfriend, everyone involved. It's a slippery slope.

If someone wants to legislate what I can do with my reproductive organs, then let's legislate what men can do with theirs. Make it illegal to have sex with anyone until you're ready to physically, emotionally, and monetarily support that person's child. Hmmm... would that have changed your dating years?

augie · Post by **augie** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:18 am

chicagoans wrote: If someone wants to legislate what I can do with my reproductive organs, then let's legislate what men can do with theirs. Make it illegal to have sex with anyone until you're ready to physically, emotionally, and monetarily support that person's child. Hmmm... would that have changed your dating years?

Heck - that would have changed my early married years!

nothintolose · Post by **nothintolose** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:25 am

I vote we STOP this topic now. I think we all come here to escape. There is no need to bring all of this negativity here.

I know I can stop reading it, which I have for the most part, but I am a peacekeeper type, and I hate that this is going on.

C'mon everyone...give it a rest already, and on that note, I am going fishing, ya'll have a great day!

flip-flop · Post by **flip-flop** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:37 am

I 100% support anyone's right to believe whatever they want to believe. I understand that our most closely held beliefs are often very deeply rooted in personal upbringing or experience. My inherent problem is when the government tries to legislate something that is intensely personal.

Beyond that I have a major problem with hypocrisy. Believe whatever you want to believe but apply the principles consistently. If you believe life is sacred, than all life should be sacred. Not just the lives of unborn babies.

I have no illusion that I will sway anyone's firmly entrenched position. The intent of my first post on the topic was in direct response to a common and ugly misconception that I, personally, for better or worse could not let slide.

My only hope was to give a voice to the real people who are faced with the decision. To encourage people to step away from the gross generalizations that are often made to dehumanize the very real women faced with these decisions.

Post by **Anthony** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:46 am

Hey everyone - do we need to close this topic? I don't want to zap it - but we could just make it read only. I really don't want people to get upset by visiting this place - that is for sure.

Anyway - the little poll here is pretty close actually to the latest national tracking polls:

10/2: Rasmussen Pres-Tracker: Obama 51%, McCain 44%
10/2: Res. 2000 Pres-Tracker: Obama 51%, McCain 40%
10/1: Gallup Pres-Tracker: Obama 48%, McCain 44%

I am a little surprised - I thought the simple majority here was a little more republican/conservative (and maybe they are but just not voting that way this time around for whatever reason). But we only have about 80 responses out of 1,700+ users so I guess the margin of error (I am not good at math) could be fairly large -

DCphoto · Post by **DCphoto** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:58 am

Flip Flop,
I'm going to print out your response, it was the most moving and intelligent response I have ever read about this topic. I usually do not talk about my politics. I get asked all the time because I am on Capitol Hill working as a photographer. I will always vote Democrat until abortion is not an issue with the Republican party. Good for you for standing up and speaking out! I did not know your story about your son, thankfully he is alright but the choices are yours to make not lawmakers on Capitol Hill. This is not about religion, it is about the health and safty of women.

Chet · Post by **Chet** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:01 am

Pull the plug. This has morphed into a political discourse between 5 people.

I repeat: Study the candidates positions, not the talking heads. VOTE!

Marcia (Mrs. Pete) · Post by **Marcia (Mrs. Pete)** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:10 am

Anthony,

Read only makes a lot of sense. And, I am no longer going to post anything on this thread or, discuss politics on this board.

Teresa_Rae · Post by **Teresa_Rae** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:12 am

Anthony...I’m surprised that you’re surprised

The forum "family" has always been left leaning from what I’ve seen. Good day

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flip-flop · Post by **flip-flop** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:40 am

DCphoto wrote:Flip Flop,
I'm going to print out your response, it was the most moving and intelligent response I have ever read about this topic. I usually do not talk about my politics. I get asked all the time because I am on Capitol Hill working as a photographer. I will always vote Democrat until abortion is not an issue with the Republican party. Good for you for standing up and speaking out! I did not know your story about your son, thankfully he is alright but the choices are yours to make not lawmakers on Capitol Hill. This is not about religion, it is about the health and safty of women.

DCPhoto - Thank you. I know there is a lot of talk about ending this thread and that is fine. Perhaps nothing will be resolved or accomplished here, but I do think talking about it -- politics and religion -- when done with respect can do a lot more to reach a middle ground than pretending like these issues and differences don't exist.

soxfan22 · Post by **soxfan22** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:41 am

flip-flop wrote: My only hope was to give a voice to the real people who are faced with the decision.

Who are you, Oprah?

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