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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:56 pm
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:57 pm
by Gromit
Toes -- if you didn't get it... I was killing you with kindness.
I only gave as good as I got from SJ.
I don't take kindly to be condescended to.
Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:05 pm
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:05 pm
by Gromit
No SJ-- I think what we have a problem with is your holier than thou attitude.
I don't have a problem with anyone except those who are intolerant of others and seek to repress the basic human rights of those among us.
I knew this was a black hole of a conversation when I started. I tried a humorous approach but you still don't get it.
Sorry, I can't just sit by and let someone be "happy" when the rights of others are marginalized.
I can truly respect your beliefs, too bad you can't respect anyone else who doesn't believe EXACTLY the way that you do.
Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:06 pm
by bevm
Whew....As I said on page one of this topic. Let's just agree to disagree.
Bartender! Painkillers all around, please!
Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:26 pm
by Gromit
SJ -- do you even KNOW what the definition of Infidel IS??? You might want to change your avatar if you don't...
Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:37 pm
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:46 pm
by Gromit
Peace be with you then SJ. Peace be with you.
Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:52 pm
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:57 pm
by Gromit
Oh by the way... Toes... you might want to look up "Marriage" again
According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary on line (in case you don't believe me...) :
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Marriage
mar·riage
Pronunciation: \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century
1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
(2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same> b: the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected ; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3: an intimate or close union <the>
Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:58 pm
by flip-flop
Back to the original issue at hand in CA - the supreme court decision.
My main problem is that by letting the marriages already conducted stand its sort of like there was a firesale on marriage...LIMITED TIME OFFER...marry now before your rights are nullifed!! Get your marriage now ... limited supplies.
Makes no sense to me!
I did come across this looking for anti-gay scripture though and found it quite amusing, especially considering those who follow God's word to the letter.
Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.
Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 4:59 pm
by Gromit
Oh and SJ-- you might want to check the definition again...
Infidel
One entry found.
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Main Entry: in·fi·del
Pronunciation: \ˈin-fə-dəl, -fə-ˌdel\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English infidele, from Middle French, from Late Latin infidelis unbelieving, from Latin, unfaithful, from in- + fidelis faithful — more at fidelity
Date: 15th century
1: one who is not a Christian or who opposes Christianity2 a: an unbeliever with respect to a particular religion b: one who acknowledges no religious belief
3: a disbeliever in something specified or understood
— infidel adjective
Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 5:46 pm
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:04 pm
by toes in the sand
Gromit wrote:Oh by the way... Toes... you might want to look up "Marriage" again
According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary on line (in case you don't believe me...) :
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Marriage
mar·riage
Pronunciation: \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry
Date: 14th century
1 a (1): the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law
(2): the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same> b: the mutual relation of married persons : wedlock c: the institution whereby individuals are joined in a marriage
2: an act of marrying or the rite by which the married status is effected ; especially : the wedding ceremony and attendant festivities or formalities
3: an intimate or close union <the>
Gromit,
Thank you for underscoring my point. The part you must have neglected is
traditional marriage, traditional marriage being between two persons of opposite sex.
I am a male. I meet the definition of a male, I have all the hardware of a male. I cannot change my sexual status to female so that I can take advantage of the benefits of such. Why not? Because I am male. So, can I redefine the definition of female so that I can be a lesbian?
Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:06 pm
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